Marine Le Pen banned from running for public office after guilty verdict
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I don't have an issue with a public servant holding office and having a criminal record. People make mistakes, and people can change. However, I think the fact the current president has made public and copious comments about dismantling the democracy that exists while showing a blatant disdain for the rights of people, that I have an issue with.
Felons for government admin positions? Fine. But the head of a nation? Especially with the powers that the US political system gives? No way. There are plenty of other jobs that can be taken.
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I agree, the nature of the convictions should be a factor. I also agree that a sort of "cooldown" from a conviction would be reasonable, before having eligibility for holding political office restored. I've been leary of the simplified "convicts shouldn't hold office" statement though, since the original intention of that lack of disqualification criteria was, to my understanding, to prevent political imprisonment from barring opponents from holding office. That seems like the sort of thing the current administration would jump on if they could, as well.
The "cooldown" would normally be a stint in prison. Unfortunately he was only convicted but not sentenced.
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Enforcing laws on rich/powerful, novel concept in some lands.
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What you are suggesting is even more dangerous though. Law immunity for politicians is even worse
No I'm saying she should definitely be in jail but rhat shouldn't stop her from being in the election, if she wants.
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For just five years, though. Don't bury the lede.
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And your evidence for the bold claim that the French justice system has been corrupted enough to fabricate and enter false evidence and land a conviction?
What about evidence that french media freedoms have been suppressed so badly that every single news agency has been intimidated into not revealing leaked evidence of fabrication?
I never said it was corrupted. I said in general, courts van be corrupted. See the supreme court of the USA for a recent example.
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Holy mother of false equivalence.
So what’s the alternative then? Just let politicians get away with crimes and elect them anyway? Because that doesn’t seem to be going too well for the US.
The alternative is to punish them like any other citizen: prison or fines. All I'm against is disallowing them to run in elections.
If the people still vote for a convict, obviously the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
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Nazi Bar Argument.
No, I still think she should be in prison.
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Bro, are you fighting this with whataboutism and false equivalency ? Troll detected opinion rejected
Fight the arguments instead if they are so lame.
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Good. In my country, a former PM who embezzled 1.6B is on the verge of being set free, with little in the way of jail time, while a construction worker who stole a loaf of bread got 40 years. Wtf.
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French courts are independent. She will appeal, and another court will condemn her and her friends in appeal.
The evidence is multitudinous and straightforward.
Countries that have special rules for powerful people are the fascist ones.
No one in this thread is saying she shouldn't be punished for her crimes.
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Bro, are you fighting this with whataboutism and false equivalency ? Troll detected opinion rejected
It's not whataboutism if it's on the same topic. I just raised a very real example where this is problematic.
In the near future, I bet we will see the same in America.
And what in this is false equivalency? We're talking about banning criminals from elections, right?
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Yes, she's a horrible person. I still think she should be in prison and be allowed to contest in elections. I would never bote for her but that's a separate topic.
Who the hell votes for a convicted felon?
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Enforcing laws on rich/powerful, novel concept in some lands.
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Hitler was sentenced for 5 years too lmao
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Funnily enough, when the law was introduced a few years ago, her party wanted the penalty to be lifelong ineligibility. They are probably happy it's 5 years, now.
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Not to defend Le Pen but barring opponents from elections is on page one of the fascist playbook.
"Being really well dressed and using style to win people over is in the fascist playbook as well. Therefore drag queens are fascist."
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I never said it was corrupted. I said in general, courts van be corrupted. See the supreme court of the USA for a recent example.
Ok, but in general so can any organisation/institution become corrupted. So can your local authority or the upper management of where you work or the local school board or the organisers of your favourite activity club.
Your statement is tantamount to saying "corruption exists and is bad". Well yeah, it has since people put a name to greed.
Its good to keep an eye out for it, but unless there's growing evidence for the case that French courts have been corrupted, like how there's now a mountain's worth for the US supreme court, then it's not being skeptical it's being very cynical.
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For just five years, though. Don't bury the lede.
It's 5 more years than any other recent fascist has gotten
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Of course Le Pen's reaction is that this is politically motivated. I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of this case, but am assuming the verdict is sound. Reactions like this are in my mind more serious than the actual offence; they undermine the rule of law. If found guilty in her appeal they should take this reaction into account and ban her from office forever.
And most countries fail to even have revolutions.