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Bazzite would shut down if Fedora goes ahead with removing 32-bit

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    Steamos is based on arch and also immutable. Can't they do something like that. Never liked bazzite cause it was fedora based. I feel like any gaming distro should be arch based and making it immutable would fix the arch breaking fear.

    Why is everyone downvoting? It's not really a stupid question when they apparently already tried it.

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      Steamos is based on arch and also immutable. Can't they do something like that. Never liked bazzite cause it was fedora based. I feel like any gaming distro should be arch based and making it immutable would fix the arch breaking fear.

      Why is everyone downvoting? It's not really a stupid question when they apparently already tried it.

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      Building a distro is hard. Building a distro on existing architecture like uBlue is easier, but still hard, especially if you want to do it right. I believe uBlue was the right choice. This is just someone over in upstream doing something stupid.

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        Build Bazzite on the latest Ubuntu stable with snaps removed and 32-bit libraries installed alongside Steam .deb

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          Bazzite shutting down would be tragic ( for me ). I've been quite happy with it. Slowly convincing people to switch. Bazzite was also a relatively low step compared to fixing them a standard distro as all the stuff they want/need is already readily available.

          Telling people I decided to promote another distro because the old one stopped is only going to make me have to restart my efforts with an additional hurdle ( how do you know this one won't stop ).

          I tried a few distros. But I didn't like garuda very much, nobara was okay'ish. Bazzite really clicked for some reason, despite needing a bit of getting used to.

          I'd hate to go distro hunting again. Or try and update cpu schedulers and not brick the whole system.

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            Can someone Eli5 egg 32 bit architectuur is still a thing? Why should Steam be still in 32 ?

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              Can someone Eli5 egg 32 bit architectuur is still a thing? Why should Steam be still in 32 ?

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              Old games and software that will never be updated were built to run on 32 bit libraries.

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                Old games and software that will never be updated were built to run on 32 bit libraries.

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                Yeah, but I don't get that I'm ringing 64 bit since win7 and never had trouble running old games.

                So why still run an is that is dependent on 32 bit?

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                  Yeah, but I don't get that I'm ringing 64 bit since win7 and never had trouble running old games.

                  So why still run an is that is dependent on 32 bit?

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                  The 32 bit libraries are still available for you to run that old software. If it was removed entirely those old games would not run

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                    Build Bazzite on the latest Ubuntu stable with snaps removed and 32-bit libraries installed alongside Steam .deb

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                    Ubuntu stopped releasing 32 bit packages
                    edit: images, not packages, my bad

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                      Bazzite shutting down would be tragic ( for me ). I've been quite happy with it. Slowly convincing people to switch. Bazzite was also a relatively low step compared to fixing them a standard distro as all the stuff they want/need is already readily available.

                      Telling people I decided to promote another distro because the old one stopped is only going to make me have to restart my efforts with an additional hurdle ( how do you know this one won't stop ).

                      I tried a few distros. But I didn't like garuda very much, nobara was okay'ish. Bazzite really clicked for some reason, despite needing a bit of getting used to.

                      I'd hate to go distro hunting again. Or try and update cpu schedulers and not brick the whole system.

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                      Maybe don’t chase the FOTM distro and go for one of those who have stood the test of time?

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                        Kind of amazing that Steam is a 32 bit-only program on Linux, and everyone is making the Fedora project out to be the bad guy here somehow.

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                          Maybe don’t chase the FOTM distro and go for one of those who have stood the test of time?

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                          Would I be in this situation if I took fedora, a distro that has withstood the test of time? Yes.

                          Bazzite being fairly new is completely besides the point.

                          Bazzite and the rest of universal Blue would rather call them a custom install of Fedora rather than a distro IIRC.

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                            Steamos is based on arch and also immutable. Can't they do something like that. Never liked bazzite cause it was fedora based. I feel like any gaming distro should be arch based and making it immutable would fix the arch breaking fear.

                            Why is everyone downvoting? It's not really a stupid question when they apparently already tried it.

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                            Apparently they looked at it and had issues and bugs with arch which could not be fixed:

                            https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1lj9oqw/comment/mzkxkz2

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                              Yeah, but I don't get that I'm ringing 64 bit since win7 and never had trouble running old games.

                              So why still run an is that is dependent on 32 bit?

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                              Win64 contains a full Win32 system.

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                                Win64 contains a full Win32 system.

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                                Aha. I see! Thanks for explaining.

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                                  Kind of amazing that Steam is a 32 bit-only program on Linux, and everyone is making the Fedora project out to be the bad guy here somehow.

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                                  Wouldn't the alternative be losing a LOT of old games on Steam?

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                                    Wouldn't the alternative be losing a LOT of old games on Steam?

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                                    There should be nothing wrong with a 64 bit program launching a 32 bit program. If anything, it sounds like Valve is using that as some sort of "comparability insurance"; if you can run steam, you can run almost all games on steam.

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                                      There should be nothing wrong with a 64 bit program launching a 32 bit program. If anything, it sounds like Valve is using that as some sort of "comparability insurance"; if you can run steam, you can run almost all games on steam.

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                                      MacOS stopped supporting 32-bit with Catalina and, according to appleinsider.com, older games won't work on Catalina at all.

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                                        Oh no!

                                        Moves to other Fedora based distro

                                        Anyway.

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                                          The 32 bit libraries are still available for you to run that old software. If it was removed entirely those old games would not run

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                                          Followup question, if you don't mind! What still needs to be maintained on the Win32 system on behalf of the Fedora maintainers? If everyone has moved on from 32bit, and the old stuff doesn't change, where is the maintenance requirement? Could we not find a "final" version and leave it static, but still available in the package manager?

                                          Is it that packaging requirements change for different systems to keep up with hardware drivers/new package managers/kernel removing deprecated features/security vulnerability patches?

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