They're literally conspiring against you
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I just want to see more women's clothes with pockets.
Big pockets! Bigger than a chapstick
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"outside straight sizes" wat? they have gay sizes too?
Shopping for trousers as a fat kid before elastic waistbands became mainstream on "regular" clothes was an extended humiliation. "The waist is too tight! the legs are too long!" No, I'm just fucking deformed because I'm fat.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Straight sizes (xs - xxxl) vs Plus sizes (0x - 5x)
Designers create garments for one size (typically Large), and then scale it down and up for the other sizes, but above a certain threshold that doesn’t proportion correctly, so plus sizes are scaled from 2x.
The term “straight” here was originally opposed to curved.
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Even for men’s clothes the sizing seems to only really be consistent within the same item, maybe brand. Even though they’re supposed to be measurements you still have to try everything on.
I was in a clothing store last week that only started at L for mens clothing. Theres also a shoe store closeby that only sells mens shoes for 40 (EU) and above.
Like wtf, there are plenty of men that are smaller than 180cm and that have small feet. At least give me some options. These are the same stores that complain that everybody orders their shit online nowadays.
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This isn't just a problem with women's jeans which have arbitrary size numbers. Even men's jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong. In addition to vanity sizing, cheaper jeans are also made from larger material cuts out of the patterns at the same time to save manufacturing cost sometimes twice as many as shown here:
Those at the top or bottom of the stack may end up a bit smaller or a bit larger than the pattern, but they all get marked with the same size.
Whether it was this manufacturing problem or vanity sizing, this is why I stopped buying Old Navy jeans. I could pick out 3 jeans all labeled with the same size and one would fit okay, one would be too small, and one too large. I have never had this problem with Eddie Bauer jeans.
Edit: I found picture showing the larger stacks (which can introduce the mismatched sizing) I was referring to:
The ultimate jeans post
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wdym
Nah. I'm over 12. Use words?
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We're old. We don't set the trends or standards anymore. If we want to keep participating, we have to adapt to their style. They aren't going to adopt our older standards.
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I'm very glad men's pants and shorts are done by waist measurement, and is an actual measurement.
Shirt sizing has been pretty consistent as well, in my experience.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe if you're getting it tailored or something but off the shelf it can be a crapshoot for us, too. I have "32" jeans that range from hanging off me to I can't wear them comfortably.
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I was in a clothing store last week that only started at L for mens clothing. Theres also a shoe store closeby that only sells mens shoes for 40 (EU) and above.
Like wtf, there are plenty of men that are smaller than 180cm and that have small feet. At least give me some options. These are the same stores that complain that everybody orders their shit online nowadays.
Maybe those are specifically for big people, it's really hard for them to find suitable sizes in regular stores.
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As a 160cm guy, s sized shirt for guy is so baggy for me but s sized shirt for woman is just right. And buying s sized made in country A is different size than s sized made in country B.
What is this inconsistent shiteThose differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
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This is fascinating! thanks for the pics, it makes so much sense.
The only question is why they are making jeans with wax instead of denim
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Maybe those are specifically for big people, it's really hard for them to find suitable sizes in regular stores.
No, it was a normal store from a german name brand. They had one jacket in S and one shirt in M. Even the employee said that its just a shitty order policy by their bosses.
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I just want to see more women's clothes with pockets.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
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We haven't even talked about kids clothing yet....ohhh boyyy does that one suck
Being the kid sucks worse
You're dragged around the store as a living mannequin, while simultaneously being bored out of your mind
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Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
While true, it's hardly fair that I, as a man, don't need to learn to sew, buy a sewing machine , spend time getting materials or actually doing the sewing in order to have good pockets. My pants just come with good pockets.
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Even for men’s clothes the sizing seems to only really be consistent within the same item, maybe brand. Even though they’re supposed to be measurements you still have to try everything on.
I bought 4 polo shirts from the same brand, 2 black, 2 white. All of them in small. Black fits perfectly but white seems like its 2 sizes too big. Worst part is that small is their smallest size... But I'm trying to fix it with a reverse diet.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
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wdym
Nah. I'm over 12. Use words?
Language - wait for it - changes.
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Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
wrote last edited by [email protected]That takes time, the rare spare time not everyone has and not everyone wants to spend on making a bought product useful.
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Those differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
They could just use measurements. Even with elastic materials just give a range. Remembering a few numbers is not difficult for most people
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Maybe if you're getting it tailored or something but off the shelf it can be a crapshoot for us, too. I have "32" jeans that range from hanging off me to I can't wear them comfortably.
This is why a lot of men find one brand and stick to it until they die.
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We're old. We don't set the trends or standards anymore. If we want to keep participating, we have to adapt to their style. They aren't going to adopt our older standards.
Low wizzer
