They're literally conspiring against you
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As a 160cm guy, s sized shirt for guy is so baggy for me but s sized shirt for woman is just right. And buying s sized made in country A is different size than s sized made in country B.
What is this inconsistent shiteThose differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
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This is fascinating! thanks for the pics, it makes so much sense.
The only question is why they are making jeans with wax instead of denim
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Maybe those are specifically for big people, it's really hard for them to find suitable sizes in regular stores.
No, it was a normal store from a german name brand. They had one jacket in S and one shirt in M. Even the employee said that its just a shitty order policy by their bosses.
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I just want to see more women's clothes with pockets.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
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We haven't even talked about kids clothing yet....ohhh boyyy does that one suck
Being the kid sucks worse
You're dragged around the store as a living mannequin, while simultaneously being bored out of your mind
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Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
While true, it's hardly fair that I, as a man, don't need to learn to sew, buy a sewing machine , spend time getting materials or actually doing the sewing in order to have good pockets. My pants just come with good pockets.
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Even for men’s clothes the sizing seems to only really be consistent within the same item, maybe brand. Even though they’re supposed to be measurements you still have to try everything on.
I bought 4 polo shirts from the same brand, 2 black, 2 white. All of them in small. Black fits perfectly but white seems like its 2 sizes too big. Worst part is that small is their smallest size... But I'm trying to fix it with a reverse diet.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
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wdym
Nah. I'm over 12. Use words?
Language - wait for it - changes.
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Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
wrote last edited by [email protected]That takes time, the rare spare time not everyone has and not everyone wants to spend on making a bought product useful.
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Those differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
They could just use measurements. Even with elastic materials just give a range. Remembering a few numbers is not difficult for most people
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Maybe if you're getting it tailored or something but off the shelf it can be a crapshoot for us, too. I have "32" jeans that range from hanging off me to I can't wear them comfortably.
This is why a lot of men find one brand and stick to it until they die.
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We're old. We don't set the trends or standards anymore. If we want to keep participating, we have to adapt to their style. They aren't going to adopt our older standards.
Low wizzer
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Even for men’s clothes the sizing seems to only really be consistent within the same item, maybe brand. Even though they’re supposed to be measurements you still have to try everything on.
Really? I've been buying the same size of trousers since I stopped growing. And I only went up one size for some upper body garments because I put on quite a bit of muscle.
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Forces women to go to store to try on, stay there longer to find a good fit. Ensure makeup, perfumes, bags/accessories, and jewelry are always in eyeshot of the women's clothing racks and along the entry/exit paths.
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No, it was a normal store from a german name brand. They had one jacket in S and one shirt in M. Even the employee said that its just a shitty order policy by their bosses.
A shitty order policy or just knowing their regular customers?
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Those differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
Yeah but, shoe industry at least have the consistent going on...sort of.
As someone from south east asia, my size is like below average even for asian standard, which mean i can't expect to buy cloth and fit if i visit europe or US. Cloth from Uniqlo kinda fit me tho but i guess their shirt might be unisex.
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They could just use measurements. Even with elastic materials just give a range. Remembering a few numbers is not difficult for most people
Yes, though you would have to remember more numbers if you’re not making gendered sizes, things like the diameter of the arm hole and the distance between the neck and shoulder, but it’s not like there’s no way to do it. It’s just easier for clothing companies to gender clothes and most people don’t care enough to do anything about it.
People’s clothes would probably fit a lot better though.
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Yeah but, shoe industry at least have the consistent going on...sort of.
As someone from south east asia, my size is like below average even for asian standard, which mean i can't expect to buy cloth and fit if i visit europe or US. Cloth from Uniqlo kinda fit me tho but i guess their shirt might be unisex.
Yeah, that’s got to be difficult. I’m in the opposite boat, as a 178 cm tall woman. I struggled finding dresses that were long enough in the US, but upon moving to central Europe, I have no issues at all (and my size shoe doesn’t run out within a day of being restocked anymore). I basically just don’t buy clothing made by Asian companies unless I can try it on in person first. People joke about “big bones,” but I’ve got a BMI of 20 and I have tried on XL and XXL sizes that don’t go over my shoulders.
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Yes, though you would have to remember more numbers if you’re not making gendered sizes, things like the diameter of the arm hole and the distance between the neck and shoulder, but it’s not like there’s no way to do it. It’s just easier for clothing companies to gender clothes and most people don’t care enough to do anything about it.
People’s clothes would probably fit a lot better though.
You only need a few numbers really, and a small table printed on the label would be easy enough. At the end of the day a company is going to produce a limited number of patterns. Probably still only going to get xs/s/m/l/xl/xx... So roughly 7 patterns. In any case, having the numbers can tell you whether a m or a s will be choking you or a comfortable fit, whether it will constrict your arm motion, or be an unintentional crop top. It just demands more quality control from the manufacturer and honest labeling which is antithetical to their interests (getting people into the store, errant purchases, etc...)
