Hashtags do not replace groups.
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I really hope there's better handling of Mastodon user comments on Lemmy, because all the comments tagging other users are an absolute mess. Are Mastodon users doing this on purpose or is their client tagging the users automatically?
If this were to become more common I'd probably just think about find out a way to block Mastodon users so I don't see their comments.
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@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool That's what I mean - I think you're missing the point. I don't think anyone is expecting every developer to also be able to explain the usefulness of the fediverse to casual users, but some of us do feel, I think, that there's a lack of fundamental recognition that developer explanations are beside the point as far as most regular people are concerned, which can cause the unwelcoming impression for non-devs that we hear people talk about fairly regularly.
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@breakfastmtn Thanks. So far I've tried Friendica, Misskey and Hubzilla, as well as three different Mastodon servers. So I do understand that Masto is not the whole fedi.
It's just that so far as I was concerned, "Lemmy" is a dead rock star who had a penchant for Nazi memorabilia.
I'd never heard of it as a fedi service until Chris' post, yesterday!
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] To be blunt, āitās like emailā is probably good enough for 95% of casual users in terms of an explanation for how the Fediverse works.
Itās all just email. Mastodon, Pixelfed, and Lemmy are really all just email.
But the moment you ask, āWell, actually, how does it all work? How is it possible to use Lemmy with Mastodon?ā
The answer is: actors.
And maybe that is abstract, but I assure you thatās the practical reason youāre able to do it. Once you understand that the Fediverse is made up of actors/activities, a whole new world of possibilities opens upāeven for regular users. Itās why youāre participating on Lemmy right now, even though it still looks like āMastodonā to you.
Now Iām sorry that you may perceive this as ābeside the point,ā but people ask how it works and Iām telling you. However, if this is too abstract, remember: itās all āemailā.
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That sounds good.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to interoperate at all. Just that this kind of thing isn't, and never will be ideal. I'm pushing back on the idea, that one account for all the Fediverse is the best and greatest, that everyone should be striving for that goal.It's a principal of reality. Trying to make something that can do everything, will mean it's not great at anything. Specialization is what allows society to grow to what it is. The Fediverse is no different.
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How does it show up in Lemmy if someone on Mastodon tags a Lemmy instance? Just curious.
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@atomicpoet @fediverse
Go to their account profile and mute them. Block w/e -
it's a new post in the community
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This is what I see from Lemmy.world
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So if there's 50,000 users in a conversation and they all keep "tagging" the community instead of a hashtag, then that community would have thousands of new posts?
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@ApostateEnglishman You should check it out. Lemmy's great! Interoperability is terrific but I think the way information and discussion are displayed in Lemmy* is superior for deeper dives and being "in" a discussion. Not at all a knock on Mastodon, which is perfect for what it is. They're just trying to be different things that have different strengths
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@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool That's not what people are asking - they're asking "How does it work *for me*?".
"Like email or phones" again still only explains in the abstract, that you can connect with anyone in the same way as those things. It still doesn't explain how to use it or how it solves the things people would like to solve.
People are asking for a driver's license & you're telling them how a combustion engine turns gasoline into mechanical motion.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I've explained how to use it: you submit to a group from Mastodon by tagging. In fact, you're using it right now. Look at one of the accounts you're mentioning.
Did you not read the original post?
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I'm assuming replies to the post would be replies in Lemmy?
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@atomicpoet @fediverse @Coolmccool Yes, I did - did you not read the rest of the thread? At no point did I say "explain it to me" & neither did Cool, your answer to whom I originally responded to - in fact, I said specifically that I don't expect you to explain it to laypeople if you're on the dev side. All I'm asking is for you - and just as importantly, other readers of this thread - to recognize the explanation gap, that we may become a welcoming place for everyone, not just developers.
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Also hashtags don't help federation at all, groups/communities will "boost" the post so it federates to all the followers
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In Mastodon you need to mention the person you reply to or they won't get mentioned. Clients usually set them automatically.
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The best way to find groups is actually https://lemmyverse.net/communities . All individual servers are missing other communities due to de-feds or lack of federation. While I can't say numerically how comprehensive Lemmyverse is, it's a lot better than any instance I've tried.
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It's not that Lemmy couldn't allow you to follow Mastodon users, the technology allows it. It's just not high on the priority list to actually develop.
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Really? It doesn't seem much different to mastodon.
