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United States: French researcher turned back for expressing “personal opinion on Trump administration’s policy

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  • R [email protected]

    1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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    That doesn’t de jure apply to non-citizens at the border, never mind de facto.

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      Time to stay away from the USA.

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      This above all

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      • R [email protected]

        1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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        There’s no first or fourth amendment rights within 100 miles of the border of the USA. Probably other missing rights.

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          Time to stay away from the USA.

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          Calgon, take me away...

          please!

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          • C [email protected]

            There’s no first or fourth amendment rights within 100 miles of the border of the USA. Probably other missing rights.

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            That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

            If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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            • R [email protected]

              That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

              If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

              Federal law allows certain federal agents to conduct search and seizures within 100 miles (160 km) of the border into the interior of the United States.[5] The Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly confirmed that the border search exception applies within 100 miles (160 km) of the border of the United States

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              • R [email protected]

                That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

                If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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                If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

                How exactly does one enforce the free exercise of their rights?

                Remember that agents of the government are often armed and generally don't like being told what to do.

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                  Time to stay away from the USA.

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                  Has been for a few decades, but now more than ever.

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                  • R [email protected]

                    1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                    The important judges are trumps pals.

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                    • davel@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                      That doesn’t de jure apply to non-citizens at the border, never mind de facto.

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                      Rights don't apply to non-citizens? You sure?

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                        Rights don't apply to non-citizens? You sure?

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                        Relevant section on Wikipedia:

                        The government may not criminally punish immigrants based on speech that would be protected if said by a citizen.[83] On entry across borders, the government may bar non-citizens from the United States based on their speech, even if that speech would have been protected if said by a citizen.[84] Speech rules as to deportation, on the other hand, are unclear.[85] Lower courts are divided on the question, while the leading cases on the subject are from the Red Scare.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

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                        • deegeese@sopuli.xyzD [email protected]

                          He committed treason last term, but got away with it thanks to servile Republicans.

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                          And Garland

                          Garland more than republicans because Garland was supposed to have a soul

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                          • C [email protected]

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

                            Federal law allows certain federal agents to conduct search and seizures within 100 miles (160 km) of the border into the interior of the United States.[5] The Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly confirmed that the border search exception applies within 100 miles (160 km) of the border of the United States

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                            This practice exists, but is in violation of guaranteed constitutional rights. The rights still exist and must be respected. The United States' failure to do so does not absolve the responsibility, nor does it negate the reality of the rights in question. The laws and practices enabling this situation are unconstitutional and thus illegitimate.

                            As for what can be done about it, the responsibility of the average person is to be LOUD about it. Make them pay attention and do not shut up until they do.

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                            • comfy@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                              If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

                              How exactly does one enforce the free exercise of their rights?

                              Remember that agents of the government are often armed and generally don't like being told what to do.

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                              The people are armed as well.

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                              • R [email protected]

                                The people are armed as well.

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                                Some people are, yes, but compare what happens when law enforcement agents use their arms, and what happens when regular people use their arms.

                                A critical part of the state is the monopoly on legitimate violence.

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                                  "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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                                  Are the checks really random? If not, what would trigger one?

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                                    "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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                                    I heard from a Redditor that his tweets were luring US scientists to EU and his visit was a recruitment drive.

                                    I imagine US does not want to identify him because although we could verify the above in his tweets, it would be advertising the lure for US scientists to defect.

                                    And the French guy probably does not want to identify himself because je wants to make the US government look as bad as possible.

                                    Not random, not as bad as the headline sounds but not worthy of banning anyhow.

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                                      I was under the understanding that when in customs TSA overrides an American Citizens constitutional rights...

                                      Basically, you don't have a 1st ammendment right as an American Citizen.

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                                        I was under the understanding that when in customs TSA overrides an American Citizens constitutional rights...

                                        Basically, you don't have a 1st ammendment right as an American Citizen.

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                                        Nope, that is not correct. The rights remain in place and may be exercised at will.

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          Nope, that is not correct. The rights remain in place and may be exercised at will.

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                                          Thanks for the correction

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