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As top Trump aides sent texts on Signal, flight data show a member of the group chat was in Russia

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  • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

    This isn't a nationalist idea .... the oligarchs have won and are exporting authoritarianism to the globe. Most or the majority of people everywhere just want to have a peaceful life whether they are in the US, Russian, China or anywhere on the globe ... it's oligarchs and wealthy morons that think they can manipulate everyone, everywhere all the time and allow them to become rulers of the universe.

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    i'll have you know that social contract that formed in russia after 90s looks just like that: citizens fuck off from politics in return for some prosperity. every time when russian state expected that that won't last due to things like 2008 crisis or covid or what have you, they started a war as a distraction and to rally around the flag some nationalists. now they're on 4th attempt, this one was due to post-covid recession. difference is, this time they were high on their own supply of propaganda and planned accordingly. they also can't back down because they see it as a weakness, and that would mean a coup

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      The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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      Are windows in too?

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        The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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        Surprisingly enough, it doesn't really stop them from trying, it only stops individual occurrences. And if the piece of metal only grazes, it often invigorates and galvanizes them

        An additional note: for all the people who advocate this approach, very few have actually gone through with it. Perhaps it'd be more successful if all the people who advocate for it actually did it instead of trying to get other people to do it for them.

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        • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

          Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

          .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

          As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

          Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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          How do they get off being the 'Flagship' instance then? Should that concern us or is it meh?

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          • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

            Love the way THE BBC is trying to make signal sound like some hackers playset, really shows how much the UK gov hate encryption or people having any privacy at all.

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            Are they?

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              Independently verifiable detail number 28543 showing that Trump and everyone he has appointed are unfit for office, and that no one who voted for him will ever care about, and from which no consequences will ever flow.

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              Could everyone please stop repeating "nothing will ever come of this" every time fucked up shit happens?

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                Are they?

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                Isn't hard to look up the BBC site, their pretty much making signal sound like an insecure hacking tool only used by dissidents.

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                  How do they get off being the 'Flagship' instance then? Should that concern us or is it meh?

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                  I don't think it can, it's a flagship because it's the first instance, being run by the main devs as a demonstration of Lemmy's capabilities so it's always on the latest beta version at least.

                  But, they could just stop using it as a tool to further their own political stances and have it actually be a "generalist" instance. For that though, they'd have to give up being the admins of it, which they'll probably never do.

                  It is of concern yes, but maybe if the wider Lemmy-verse defeded from them it would at least be easier to say that their views are not shared by any of us to any newcomers/outsiders by being able to point to a clear and visible action like defederation.

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                    Could everyone please stop repeating "nothing will ever come of this" every time fucked up shit happens?

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                    Man I don't have enough time in the day to be doing that.

                    I save my cynical outbursts for when he gets caught. And I have reasons, though you may not agree with them.

                    I think it's important not to lose sight of the fact that our government is incapable of dispensing consequences to this man, regardless of what he does, regardless of where his loyalties clearly lie, regardless of how he continually works at the destruction of the United States of America. So we're not surprised at where things are four years from Jan 21 like we were four years from Jan 06.

                    While we are all tempted by the complacent comfort of "someone in government will handle it" now that he's actually at the peak of his power, it seems key that we all remember "no one in government handled it" for four years when he was out of power and arguably at his weakest.

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                      Are they?

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                      No.

                      Graham Fraser
                      Technology reporter

                      Signal, compared with other messaging apps, has added security features to protect the privacy of its users.

                      Conversations on the app are end-to-end encrypted, which means they can only be read by the recipients. Signal can’t even read what has been sent.

                      But security is only as good as the person using it.

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                        Could everyone please stop repeating "nothing will ever come of this" every time fucked up shit happens?

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                        Until someone actually faces consequences, it's just people spitting truth sadly.

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                        • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

                          Love the way THE BBC is trying to make signal sound like some hackers playset, really shows how much the UK gov hate encryption or people having any privacy at all.

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                          It also goes to show that Signal may actually be worth its salt in regards to security.

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                          • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                            You have been banned from Lemmy.ml

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                            No I'm pretty sure they would support Daddy putin controlling amerikkka

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                            • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                              I don't think it can, it's a flagship because it's the first instance, being run by the main devs as a demonstration of Lemmy's capabilities so it's always on the latest beta version at least.

                              But, they could just stop using it as a tool to further their own political stances and have it actually be a "generalist" instance. For that though, they'd have to give up being the admins of it, which they'll probably never do.

                              It is of concern yes, but maybe if the wider Lemmy-verse defeded from them it would at least be easier to say that their views are not shared by any of us to any newcomers/outsiders by being able to point to a clear and visible action like defederation.

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                              Damn - as I love Lemmy and believe in the mission it's hard to square that with tankie devs

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                                It also goes to show that Signal may actually be worth its salt in regards to security.

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                                Well I use it and have put it on relatives phones so they can communicate with me easily, ideally though I'd use Threema but yeah signals a lot better than other free alternatives.

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                                  Sounds like a bunch of traitors.

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                                    One example of this is when I called out some Hexbear users for their bullshit propaganda and then when they started brigading against me and making literal death threats, the .ml mod swooped in, deleted my comments, and gave me a temporary ban. The hexbear users comments remained visible including the death threats.

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                                    Rule 1, 2

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                                    • atheartengineer@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                      Right, those shouldn't be conflated (the protocols vs the phone/persons security properties).I think anyone actively targeted by a major govt power is probably fucked though. Pegasus has taught us that, so while signal is probably a pretty secure protocol, phones definitely have a lot of vulnerabilities.

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                                      Indeed. So are digital hygiene practices.

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                                      • einkorn@feddit.orgE [email protected]

                                        OK, my time to pick nits: There is a clear and present threat. China, Russia and certainly the US as well have teams of cryptographers looking at software such as Signal and analysing every update and change made in order to spot potential openings. The threat towards Signal however is comparatively small because there are tens if not hundreds of times as many people checking the code as well and reporting back to Signal because of its Open-source nature.

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                                        As far as I'm aware the encryption can't really be broken given the current amount of compute. Is anyone aware of what potential vulnerabilities there could be to the Signal protocol outside of brute forcing? How hard is it to crack a private public key exchange?

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                                          OK, my time to pick nits: There is a clear and present threat. China, Russia and certainly the US as well have teams of cryptographers looking at software such as Signal and analysing every update and change made in order to spot potential openings. The threat towards Signal however is comparatively small because there are tens if not hundreds of times as many people checking the code as well and reporting back to Signal because of its Open-source nature.

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                                          That's exactly my point. I work in security, specifically versus threat actors. I don't typically deal with State actors, but on occasion I do. Those are the real problem.

                                          You're writing the concerns, suggestions, and warnings I would give.

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