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As top Trump aides sent texts on Signal, flight data show a member of the group chat was in Russia

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  • return2ozma@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

    As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml

    Can someone ELI5?

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    Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

    .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

    As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

    Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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    • O [email protected]

      Bingo, comrade.

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      I think it's disingenuous to try to suggest that communists have anything to do with it. It's purely an oligarchical shithole.

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        Lol I wear my ban with pride. All you have to do is go over there and use the word 'tankie'. They really don't like that word for some reason.

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        Got banned there by a dude with anarcho in his name. Cherry on top

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        • O [email protected]

          Oh, I'm definitely picking nits. I agree and said as much in my last comment. But the way the article presented it made it feel like there is a clear and present danger from Chinese and Russian threat actors against the protocol.

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          OK, my time to pick nits: There is a clear and present threat. China, Russia and certainly the US as well have teams of cryptographers looking at software such as Signal and analysing every update and change made in order to spot potential openings. The threat towards Signal however is comparatively small because there are tens if not hundreds of times as many people checking the code as well and reporting back to Signal because of its Open-source nature.

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          • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

            Then this is for you!

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            I'll treasure it!

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              Oh, I'm definitely picking nits. I agree and said as much in my last comment. But the way the article presented it made it feel like there is a clear and present danger from Chinese and Russian threat actors against the protocol.

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              #39

              Right, those shouldn't be conflated (the protocols vs the phone/persons security properties).I think anyone actively targeted by a major govt power is probably fucked though. Pegasus has taught us that, so while signal is probably a pretty secure protocol, phones definitely have a lot of vulnerabilities.

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              • return2ozma@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml

                Can someone ELI5?

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                #40

                They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.

                You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You'd get banned.

                Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You'd get banned.

                You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You'd get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)

                You'd get banned.

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                  Fucking traitor scum.

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                  • wanpieserino@lemm.eeW [email protected]

                    Got banned there by a dude with anarcho in his name. Cherry on top

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                    Turns our he's just really into spiders and is also dyslexic.

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                    • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                      Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

                      .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

                      As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

                      Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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                      One example of this is when I called out some Hexbear users for their bullshit propaganda and then when they started brigading against me and making literal death threats, the .ml mod swooped in, deleted my comments, and gave me a temporary ban. The hexbear users comments remained visible including the death threats.

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                      • wanpieserino@lemm.eeW [email protected]

                        They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.

                        You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You'd get banned.

                        Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You'd get banned.

                        You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You'd get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)

                        You'd get banned.

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                        They try to play themselves off as communists but I can't say I've ever seen a single one of them make a legitimate comment about communist ideals. What they really are is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Chinese and Russian governments.

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                        • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                          Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

                          .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

                          As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

                          Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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                          I find you in every thread shitting on ml at the vaguest mention of Russia or China though. Before anyone ever brought up anything related to them. It's almost like you have an agenda. Or vendetta.

                          Please show me on this doll where the dirty commies hurt you:

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                            Only once, before the immunity kicks in

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                            Well at least the reality denial is checked.

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                            • 9 [email protected]

                              The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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                              surprisingly enough, they are in fact physically just like us: just meat

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Well at least the reality denial is checked.

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                                I know my system works, otherwise I wouldn’t be immune to your criticism

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                                  Love the way THE BBC is trying to make signal sound like some hackers playset, really shows how much the UK gov hate encryption or people having any privacy at all.

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                                  • D [email protected]

                                    I find you in every thread shitting on ml at the vaguest mention of Russia or China though. Before anyone ever brought up anything related to them. It's almost like you have an agenda. Or vendetta.

                                    Please show me on this doll where the dirty commies hurt you:

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                                    Hmm yes, how dare I pushback against authoritarian misinformation, propaganda, censorship and toxicity. I do what I can within my power to prevent the Lemmy-verse from garnering a rep outside for being "That Tankie Place" or worse, Voat 2.0

                                    I've already seen it on Reddit and testimonials here (from those that actually tried to give it another shot, who knows how many won't ever come back) "I tried that Lemmy place, but it was just a bunch of tankies" is not a pleasant comment to read outside the Lemmy-verse

                                    What I've documented on [email protected] is but a mere fraction of the crap they pull and focused on just .ml

                                    Btw, tankies are authoritarian "communists"

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      Trump is a Russian asset and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.

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                                      This was all known before, americans still voted for him. This is what they want...

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                                      • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

                                        This isn't a nationalist idea .... the oligarchs have won and are exporting authoritarianism to the globe. Most or the majority of people everywhere just want to have a peaceful life whether they are in the US, Russian, China or anywhere on the globe ... it's oligarchs and wealthy morons that think they can manipulate everyone, everywhere all the time and allow them to become rulers of the universe.

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                                        i'll have you know that social contract that formed in russia after 90s looks just like that: citizens fuck off from politics in return for some prosperity. every time when russian state expected that that won't last due to things like 2008 crisis or covid or what have you, they started a war as a distraction and to rally around the flag some nationalists. now they're on 4th attempt, this one was due to post-covid recession. difference is, this time they were high on their own supply of propaganda and planned accordingly. they also can't back down because they see it as a weakness, and that would mean a coup

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                                          The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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                                          Are windows in too?

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