Focus: DeepSeek gives Europe's tech firms a chance to catch up in global AI race

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It's not the DeepSeek service that's providing a huge opportunity, it's the model. That can be run locally without any sort of privacy concerns.

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In addition to my comments, we can add that Wiz Research uncovered exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history.

TLDR: DeepSeek had left over a million lines of sensitive data exposed on the open internet, including digital software keys.

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Can we like stop copying shit from America?

We don't need European tech giants on global scale, that never works out well for the people.

Also the slow rise of fascism all over the Europe makes me far more worried than the AI race (which is silly, AGI is still far away).

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I'd say we need uncensored models. Eric Hartford wrote a long blog post about this: https://erichartford.com/uncensored-models

And I'd have to agree. It's probably unhealthy to have some disruptive technology solely in the hands of some big companies who then get to decide how to shape the world with it. That's deeply undemocratic. And comes with lots of severe issues. We kind of need a more level playing field and a say, if we don't want to just be manipulated by the technology. But read the article, my few sentences here aren't as good.

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Uh... You kinda do if you don't want your politics to be controlled by American broligarchs.

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Yes we do. We're now in a situation where schools, companies and government agencies are using Google or Microsoft to host their entire organization, and Amazon to host their services. What happens when Trump decides to introduce digital tariffs on these products? Or declare war on Denmark?

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Just don't use them?

It's not like there aren't other options. In fact, it was Microsoft which used money to stop alternatives,

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Block X, Facebook, and never look back.

It's not like there aren't alternatives, or like we need them at all.

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I think you misunderstand the point. Of course we need more technical capabilities in Europe. But we don't need the companies providing said capabilities to have the influence of Meta, Alphabet and co. And influence comes with size. Replacing a US based monopolist with one headquartered in the EU doesn't get rid of the monopoly.

So no, we don't need an European tech-giant. What we need is more in-house know-how and more medium sized companies.

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It's not like there aren't alternatives

Things like DeepSeek are exactly the "alternatives" you're talking about here. DeepSeek provides alternatives to American AIs,

or like we need them at all.

People use what they want to use, and lots of people want to use social media. You're on a social media platform right now as we discuss this.

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I'm not in a position to make these decisions on behalf of all companies, schools and government agencies that use their services in my country.

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Then it must be equally logical that european tech would not be able to, either.

So what exactly are you trying to say? What was the initial argument?

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You will not catch me defending LLMs anywhere, on fact I'm dramatically opposed to them. Your argument does not touch the need to create european tech giant.

"You use social media, and you hate social media??!"

Yes, I hate centralized social media. As there is no need to use Facebook, TikTok etc

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Sure. But it's a black box, no? That model might as well have been trained to sabotage in subtle ways after several weeks.

If developers are asking for code help and copy-paste without really understanding all the pieces, it seems like it could get real bad.

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Here is a much better way for Europe's tech firms to catch up in global AI race (spoiler: a multilingual, fully open source, law-compliant, democratic and homegrown LLM): https://slrpnk.net/post/17978607

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Focus: DeepSeek gives Europe's tech firms a chance to catch up in global AI race