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European Citizens' Initiative to "Stop Destroying Videogames" is missing ridiculously low thresholds.

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    Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
    Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
    Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
    Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
    Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
    Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
    Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
    Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
    Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
    Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
    France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
    Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
    Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
    Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
    Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
    Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
    Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
    Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
    Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
    Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
    Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
    Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
    Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
    Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
    Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
    Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
    Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
    Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

    Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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      Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
      Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
      Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
      Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
      Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
      Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
      Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
      Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
      Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
      Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
      France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
      Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
      Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
      Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
      Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
      Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
      Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
      Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
      Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
      Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
      Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
      Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
      Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
      Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
      Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
      Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
      Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
      Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

      Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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      too few gamers that care or know about this.

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        Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
        Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
        Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
        Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
        Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
        Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
        Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
        Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
        Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
        Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
        France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
        Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
        Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
        Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
        Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
        Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
        Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
        Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
        Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
        Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
        Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
        Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
        Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
        Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
        Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
        Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
        Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
        Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

        Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

        lime@feddit.nuL This user is from outside of this forum
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        seven countries and one million total votes. it's not even close on the second one, needs like 550k more.

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          Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
          Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
          Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
          Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
          Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
          Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
          Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
          Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
          Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
          Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
          France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
          Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
          Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
          Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
          Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
          Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
          Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
          Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
          Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
          Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
          Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
          Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
          Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
          Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
          Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
          Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
          Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
          Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

          Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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          For Luxembourg almost 80% are missing. Let's try to motivate bigger countries that are close to the threshold.

          Looking at you France and Spain, just a little more!
          Belgium, you are doing great, just a 1000 more please.

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            seven countries and one million total votes. it's not even close on the second one, needs like 550k more.

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            Sure, but look at what's going on in Lithuania. They can't get 2k people to sign the petition? Wth? Are there no Lithuanian gamers?

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              too few gamers that care or know about this.

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              Or have fallen for misinfo about it

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                Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
                Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
                Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
                Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
                Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
                Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
                Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
                Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
                Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
                Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
                France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
                Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
                Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
                Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
                Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
                Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
                Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
                Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
                Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
                Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
                Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
                Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
                Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
                Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
                Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
                Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
                Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
                Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

                Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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                How does it work? Does every country need to pass the threshold? Only a certain amount of countries?

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                  How does it work? Does every country need to pass the threshold? Only a certain amount of countries?

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                  7 countries and 1 million total signatures

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                  • voyajer@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                    7 countries and 1 million total signatures

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                    Thank you!

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                      Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
                      Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
                      Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
                      Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
                      Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
                      Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
                      Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
                      Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
                      Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
                      Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
                      France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
                      Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
                      Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
                      Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
                      Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
                      Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
                      Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
                      Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
                      Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
                      Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
                      Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
                      Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
                      Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
                      Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
                      Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
                      Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
                      Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
                      Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

                      Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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                      My good Sir do you know what is Malta?

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                        Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
                        Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
                        Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
                        Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
                        Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
                        Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
                        Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
                        Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
                        Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
                        Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
                        France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
                        Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
                        Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
                        Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
                        Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
                        Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
                        Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
                        Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
                        Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
                        Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
                        Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
                        Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
                        Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
                        Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
                        Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
                        Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
                        Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
                        Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

                        Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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                        that's a small town

                        Luxembourg is kind of a small town tho 🤣

                        Okay, I'll see myself out 😬

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                          My good Sir do you know what is Malta?

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                          Apparently an island of useless chuds who can't sign a petition.

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                            Apparently an island of useless chuds who can't sign a petition.

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                            And they ruined my friend's stomach! He could eat a lot before his vacation there.

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                              Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
                              Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
                              Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
                              Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
                              Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
                              Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
                              Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
                              Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
                              Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
                              Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
                              France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
                              Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
                              Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
                              Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
                              Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
                              Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
                              Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
                              Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
                              Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
                              Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
                              Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
                              Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
                              Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
                              Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
                              Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
                              Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
                              Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
                              Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

                              Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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                              Those thresholds are irrelevant because they've been crossed in seven countries already, the important bit is getting another 560k votes from anywhere (in the EU).

                              The actual hurdle is those 1m votes, any initiative that is not completely lopsided will take the per-country hurdles with ease, as you can tell by this initiative having achieved that while not yet having half of the votes it needs. In fact taking all the thresholds together you wouldn't reach 1m votes but ~0.5m, that is by design.

                              That's not to say that it'd be a bad idea to do pushes in certain countries, particularly large ones which are less hooked into English media than the usual suspects. By population: France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Belgium is covered by Netherlands+France, Czechia, Portugal, Greece, that's all >=10m member states lagging behind. No point in going after Sweden or the Netherlands people there are already in the loop, and Poland seems to have rallied itself.

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                                Those thresholds are irrelevant because they've been crossed in seven countries already, the important bit is getting another 560k votes from anywhere (in the EU).

                                The actual hurdle is those 1m votes, any initiative that is not completely lopsided will take the per-country hurdles with ease, as you can tell by this initiative having achieved that while not yet having half of the votes it needs. In fact taking all the thresholds together you wouldn't reach 1m votes but ~0.5m, that is by design.

                                That's not to say that it'd be a bad idea to do pushes in certain countries, particularly large ones which are less hooked into English media than the usual suspects. By population: France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Belgium is covered by Netherlands+France, Czechia, Portugal, Greece, that's all >=10m member states lagging behind. No point in going after Sweden or the Netherlands people there are already in the loop, and Poland seems to have rallied itself.

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                                Yeah, nevermind then. Let's do nothing. Might as well just twiddle our thumbs and hope the large countries find another 500k people to sign the initiative. The small countries can be ignored šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚

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                                  Yeah, nevermind then. Let's do nothing. Might as well just twiddle our thumbs and hope the large countries find another 500k people to sign the initiative. The small countries can be ignored šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚

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                                  You're being helped with info on where you can get the biggest return on your efforts, not being told to do nothing. Your reply is kind of rude if you ask me.

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                                    Sure, but look at what's going on in Lithuania. They can't get 2k people to sign the petition? Wth? Are there no Lithuanian gamers?

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                                    Because every EU country has its own media and public discourse spaces, and no European Initiative ever manages to get attention in all member states. They usually focus on those member states where they have contacts and multipliers who can spread it

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