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European Citizens' Initiative to "Stop Destroying Videogames" is missing ridiculously low thresholds.

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  • dmmacniel@feddit.orgD [email protected]

    too few gamers that care or know about this.

    voyajer@lemmy.worldV This user is from outside of this forum
    voyajer@lemmy.worldV This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    Or have fallen for misinfo about it

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      Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
      Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
      Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
      Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
      Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
      Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
      Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
      Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
      Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
      Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
      France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
      Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
      Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
      Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
      Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
      Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
      Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
      Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
      Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
      Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
      Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
      Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
      Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
      Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
      Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
      Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
      Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
      Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

      Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      How does it work? Does every country need to pass the threshold? Only a certain amount of countries?

      voyajer@lemmy.worldV 1 Reply Last reply
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        How does it work? Does every country need to pass the threshold? Only a certain amount of countries?

        voyajer@lemmy.worldV This user is from outside of this forum
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        #8

        7 countries and 1 million total signatures

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        • voyajer@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

          7 countries and 1 million total signatures

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          #9

          Thank you!

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            Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
            Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
            Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
            Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
            Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
            Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
            Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
            Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
            Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
            Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
            France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
            Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
            Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
            Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
            Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
            Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
            Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
            Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
            Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
            Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
            Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
            Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
            Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
            Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
            Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
            Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
            Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
            Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

            Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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            My good Sir do you know what is Malta?

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              Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
              Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
              Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
              Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
              Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
              Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
              Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
              Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
              Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
              Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
              France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
              Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
              Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
              Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
              Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
              Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
              Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
              Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
              Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
              Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
              Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
              Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
              Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
              Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
              Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
              Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
              Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
              Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

              Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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              wrote on last edited by
              #11

              that's a small town

              Luxembourg is kind of a small town tho 🤣

              Okay, I'll see myself out 😬

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              • D [email protected]

                My good Sir do you know what is Malta?

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                #12

                Apparently an island of useless chuds who can't sign a petition.

                bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deB 1 Reply Last reply
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                  Apparently an island of useless chuds who can't sign a petition.

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                  bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #13

                  And they ruined my friend's stomach! He could eat a lot before his vacation there.

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                    Country Statements of support Threshold Percentage Signatures required
                    Austria 10162 13395 75.86% 3233
                    Belgium 13911 14805 93.96% 894
                    Bulgaria 4597 11985 38.36% 7388
                    Croatia 4163 8460 49.21% 4297
                    Cyprus 565 4230 13.36% 3665
                    Czechia 7421 14805 50.12% 7384
                    Denmark 12032 9870 121.90% 0
                    Estonia 3035 4935 61.50% 1900
                    Finland 15319 9870 155.21% 0
                    France 49153 55695 88.25% 6542
                    Germany 98063 67680 144.89% 0
                    Greece 5018 14805 33.89% 9787
                    Hungary 9902 14805 66.88% 4903
                    Ireland 10353 9165 112.96% 0
                    Italy 24712 53580 46.12% 28868
                    Latvia 2679 5640 47.50% 2961
                    Lithuania 5123 7755 66.06% 2632
                    Luxembourg 946 4230 22.36% 3284
                    Malta 533 4230 12.60% 3697
                    Netherlands 26374 20445 129.00% 0
                    Poland 53599 36660 146.21% 0
                    Portugal 8402 14805 56.75% 6403
                    Romania 12377 23265 53.20% 10888
                    Slovakia 4987 9870 50.53% 4883
                    Slovenia 2473 5640 43.85% 3167
                    Spain 36391 41595 87.49% 5204
                    Sweden 19849 14805 134.07% 0

                    Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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                    #14

                    Those thresholds are irrelevant because they've been crossed in seven countries already, the important bit is getting another 560k votes from anywhere (in the EU).

                    The actual hurdle is those 1m votes, any initiative that is not completely lopsided will take the per-country hurdles with ease, as you can tell by this initiative having achieved that while not yet having half of the votes it needs. In fact taking all the thresholds together you wouldn't reach 1m votes but ~0.5m, that is by design.

                    That's not to say that it'd be a bad idea to do pushes in certain countries, particularly large ones which are less hooked into English media than the usual suspects. By population: France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Belgium is covered by Netherlands+France, Czechia, Portugal, Greece, that's all >=10m member states lagging behind. No point in going after Sweden or the Netherlands people there are already in the loop, and Poland seems to have rallied itself.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      Those thresholds are irrelevant because they've been crossed in seven countries already, the important bit is getting another 560k votes from anywhere (in the EU).

                      The actual hurdle is those 1m votes, any initiative that is not completely lopsided will take the per-country hurdles with ease, as you can tell by this initiative having achieved that while not yet having half of the votes it needs. In fact taking all the thresholds together you wouldn't reach 1m votes but ~0.5m, that is by design.

                      That's not to say that it'd be a bad idea to do pushes in certain countries, particularly large ones which are less hooked into English media than the usual suspects. By population: France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Belgium is covered by Netherlands+France, Czechia, Portugal, Greece, that's all >=10m member states lagging behind. No point in going after Sweden or the Netherlands people there are already in the loop, and Poland seems to have rallied itself.

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                      Yeah, nevermind then. Let's do nothing. Might as well just twiddle our thumbs and hope the large countries find another 500k people to sign the initiative. The small countries can be ignored šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚

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                        Yeah, nevermind then. Let's do nothing. Might as well just twiddle our thumbs and hope the large countries find another 500k people to sign the initiative. The small countries can be ignored šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚

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                        #16

                        You're being helped with info on where you can get the biggest return on your efforts, not being told to do nothing. Your reply is kind of rude if you ask me.

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                        • A [email protected]

                          Sure, but look at what's going on in Lithuania. They can't get 2k people to sign the petition? Wth? Are there no Lithuanian gamers?

                          microw@lemm.eeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Because every EU country has its own media and public discourse spaces, and no European Initiative ever manages to get attention in all member states. They usually focus on those member states where they have contacts and multipliers who can spread it

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