Kagi Introducing Fair Pricing

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This is a really big question! Let's wait patiently for them to answer it.

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It was okay while I was using it. Just a bit pricey. But I stopped using it when they started the whole "EUs GDPR doesn't apply to us" non-sense. Simply not a company I can trust to handle personal data properly.

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You said "if your product is not interesting enough for users to use".

The product has to be useful, and the user growth for a obviously premium service I think is a good testimony of that.

Have you considered that they might be a healthy business that doesn't bleed money (like most tech companies) and therefore doesn't need to rely on trapping users in subscriptions hoping they won't use the product?

Also what's with the passive aggressive tone? We are talking about a search engine, chill.

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FWIW - most mobile data plans roll over if you don't use them fully during the month.

(at least where I live)

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Are you referring to using Yandex?

I think they did explain that implementing turn off and on of specific engines per user is a complete rewrite of their querying system, so it is an expensive and complex change.

Removing yandex is OTOH not a great move as results in Russian language often come from there. Also morally I would generally agree, but then - especially now - you could argue about "giving money to US companies", and that means they need to shut down, they can't use bing, google, yandex.

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I'm fine. I feel like I'm arguing with a secret Kagi operative here.

I haven't considered that they might be a healthy business but you seem to know a lot more than I do about it....

Please, keep sharing what you don't know about Kagi

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Kagi is rolling this out to people who never use their service. So that would be equivalent to you paying your mobile provider and never making a phone call or text for an entire month.

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I must have missed that, can you explain what you mean by that?

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After nearly a year of Kagi. It's actually painful when I'm on a device with just Google.

Would recommend if you are a knowledge worker or researcher, or just in a technical field.

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They specifically avoid sanctions by routing payments through Kazakhstan, and tried to claim Yandex wasn't even a russian company when called out.

And no, the US is not the same. You might not have hosted Ukrainian refugees or be in full understanding of what's happening there but any money going into Russia is right now used for torture, rape and killing of Ukrainians.

I had a Kagi family subscription and immediately cancelled when I learnt about Vlad's "it's just some geopolitical opinions" stance. I also know others have done the same.

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I need per search pricing. Their plan includes way too many searches and is way too expensive. I use it like 2-3 times a month.

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I also liked the part where they decided they don't need to pay the VAT.

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And yet I had to pay $12.10 for my $10 Kagi subscription...

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My wife is Ukrainian. I will leave it at that.

I have also a colleague from Afghanistan, for example, guess what their opinion is (and the list could be long, I just happen to have a colleague from there).

I remember Yandex being brought up during the Brave debacle, and I don't remember them claiming anything of the sort. I think they simply stated the position that choosing search providers based on moral claims would simply lead to them being able to use only the niche search providers.

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This old blog post summarises a lot of pain points:
https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

Similar to Brave (and more recently Proton) I simply can't trust them, despite liking the idea of their respective services.

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I'm sure she would find equivocating the US with Russia very reasonable

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I am repeating data points they shared during the community event.

BTW buddy, you can cool it with the passive-aggressiveness. Not everyone on the internet is out to get you.

The info about them breaking even at 25k was shared in the discord channel (which I very rarely look). The rest are stats that are published on their website and as I said shared during the yearly community event.

I work in tech, and I would be blind to acknowledge that a company which:

is profitable/breaks even after few years of operation
does that with 25k users
doesn't have a marketing budget (used to, now they might have a ridiculously small one).

Might be a healthy business, different from 99% of tech companies that generally bleed money even with millions of users.

You seem completely sure of the opposite, whatever, don't use their service lol

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I've been searching for an alternative search engine. Found Searx to be subpar.

Was thinking about Kagi, but if they work with the russians, that's an immediate no go for me.

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She doesn't, but that's my whole point: it's a personal perspective. If you ask a person from Palestine, Vietnam, many places in South America, Yemen, Iraq, etc. their gripes would be different from my own, which as an Italian are different already from my wife's etc.

So which moral claims do you accommodate? The obvious answer is everyone's, by allowing each user to choose where indirectly give money. However this is apparently technically hard, so either you shut down or you simply decide that you can't accommodate any, and make good in other areas (I.e. through privacy-preserving services).

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Do you use any other search engine?

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