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For 73% of French people, the United States is no longer an ally of France

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    France should send a new gift to the US, to complement the statue of Liberty - a guillotine.

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      France bled for America and America bled for France, both in absolutely existential conflicts that probably significantly affected the course of History but I guess since the rich orange man doesn't like us, that doesn't count ?

      What did Russia do for America, if I may ask ?

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      What did Russia do for America, if I may ask ?

      The Russian Federation? Uh, not much. All I can think of is some support in the war on terror, and that's not a good thing.

      The Russian Empire and even the Soviet Union did more for the US than the Russian Federation.

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        France has always been a bit different. They left NATO for a bit to push back against the US/UK dominance and they developed an independent nuclear deterrent and delivery systems. They are a shit country in many ways, probably more like the US than they realise. They held onto colonialism for too long, have a stupid political system and their police and security services have done some shitty things. But hard not to admire their independence.

        Many countries caved to the US and became client states, heavily reliant on US defence industry and an extension of the US military, not because we were free loaders as Trump claims but because the US pushed their interests so hard and for so long. We cancelled our own weapons programs and shuttered our factories to support US jobs ahead of our own. Most of us are so dependent on the US it has been hard to conceive of a world without them. Being against the US alliance was basically equivalent to being against national security and being a fool or a supporter of potential enemies.

        Trump is breaking people's world view. The French leadership were decades ahead of the rest of us.

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        The French people are amazing! They actually fight against oppression. Look up the gilets jaunes movement. The media barely covered it but they protest loudly, disruptively and even violently, looting etc. French descent people tend to do the same, eg the student fees protests in Montreal, in which the students won!!

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          Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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          Two yeas is a God damn long time to wait, Putin is knocking on the door of Ukraine and probably other Baltic countries.

          And we like it or not EU is dependent on gas, be it Russian (direct or though 3 partirs) or US.

          And sorry but you (US) fucked up bad this time.

          PS: in 2 years maybe Greenland is US territory.

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            America has the right to find its own destiny. America needs dramatic change to adapt to an ever-changing world. If France no longer see us as their ally then so be it. The world keeps on turning.

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            America has the right to find its own destiny.

            Seeing how many democratic governments the US state has destroyed, the US government has no right to find its own destiny.

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              France should send a new gift to the US, to complement the statue of Liberty - a guillotine.

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              Good post.

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                Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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                Don't pretend the solution to your problem is voting. Americans need to learn how countries like France resisted in WWII.

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                  Good post.

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                  Really? Did you report it because it was removed right after your comment. Why? I only said France should send a new gift to go along with the statue of liberty.

                  Does everyone know which equipment was most associated with France's revolution?

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                    Really? Did you report it because it was removed right after your comment. Why? I only said France should send a new gift to go along with the statue of liberty.

                    Does everyone know which equipment was most associated with France's revolution?

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                    It was removed before I replied, I looked into the comment moderation history to read it.

                    🍿🎵 Luckily my instance isn't sensitive about this sort of thing. 🍿🎵

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                      Two yeas is a God damn long time to wait, Putin is knocking on the door of Ukraine and probably other Baltic countries.

                      And we like it or not EU is dependent on gas, be it Russian (direct or though 3 partirs) or US.

                      And sorry but you (US) fucked up bad this time.

                      PS: in 2 years maybe Greenland is US territory.

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                      I finally bit the bullet and applied for my passport. I may just be leaving to get out of this shit show for the foreseeable future.

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                      • comfy@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                        It was removed before I replied, I looked into the comment moderation history to read it.

                        🍿🎵 Luckily my instance isn't sensitive about this sort of thing. 🍿🎵

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                        Oh, I see. Seems kinda crappy to remove it just because I said a guillotine should be presented as a gift. I didn't say anyone should use it. I mean, I was gifted a knife for my birthday, am I not allowed to mention it?

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                          I don’t consider it an ally of the American people, either.

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                            Don't pretend the solution to your problem is voting. Americans need to learn how countries like France resisted in WWII.

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                            That’s what these fascists want tho. They want a violent uprising to create a state of emergency. All we need to do is be peacefully against their bullshit. I hold no doubt that Trump will kill US citizens with drones. Given the chance on us soil. So I will go the full anti-aggressive stance. I will use my words but in no way create a threatening position. I’m simply going to vote them out in less than 2 years now. It’s already been nearly 6 months since the election. 18 more till the next. We can make it. There’s a limit what the senate can get passed. Unless the GOP upends senate rules. There’s limits to what permanently can be done. And they are focused on taxes now. Next year. Who knows what they will push through reconciliation next year. But this year is only Tax breaks. So again there’s really limited approaches that can be accomplished. By these fools. But there’s plenty of damage to the federal work force. That is being done. But I hope the courts can stop that.

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                              It still could be a phase, albeit a much longer one than originally hoped for. I'm not convinced that's the case but I think there's reason to have at least a sliver of hope that the US will turn the corner and return to something approaching sanity. That's not to say that the people of France are wrong in their perception though. For the foreseeable future all of Europe should default to assuming we'll be ambivalent at best when approaching matters that concern them.

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                              Sure, I agree with you. Although I have to say that personally, I believe the US isn't coming back from this any time soon, if ever. I say this because in my opinion the causes that led to the (repeated) Trump presidency (e.g. a terrible election system, money in politics, a culture of turning everything into a show, a deeply ingrained skepticism towards knowledge and science in large parts of the population, extremist capitalism etc.) go much deeper than just these past ~10 years. And I see no willingness and/or capability on the side of the opposition to really tackle any of these factors at the root.

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                                Oh, I see. Seems kinda crappy to remove it just because I said a guillotine should be presented as a gift. I didn't say anyone should use it. I mean, I was gifted a knife for my birthday, am I not allowed to mention it?

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                                I think it would be a fantastic gift.

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                                  I am talking the blue part, which is not part of Canada.

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                                  So am I. The correct name for the region in blue is "La Louisiane", which got morphed into "louisiana" in the USA somehow.

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                                    I don’t consider it an ally of the American people, either.

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                                    They're objectively better than us.

                                    When their elite misbehave and make a play to take even more, they set everything on fire, and always have, bless them.

                                    Half of our sad, pathetic country act like our oligarch's house slaves, defending them rehtorically as hard working virtuous job creators and not the antisocial, sociopathic scum that they are.

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                                      That’s what these fascists want tho. They want a violent uprising to create a state of emergency. All we need to do is be peacefully against their bullshit. I hold no doubt that Trump will kill US citizens with drones. Given the chance on us soil. So I will go the full anti-aggressive stance. I will use my words but in no way create a threatening position. I’m simply going to vote them out in less than 2 years now. It’s already been nearly 6 months since the election. 18 more till the next. We can make it. There’s a limit what the senate can get passed. Unless the GOP upends senate rules. There’s limits to what permanently can be done. And they are focused on taxes now. Next year. Who knows what they will push through reconciliation next year. But this year is only Tax breaks. So again there’s really limited approaches that can be accomplished. By these fools. But there’s plenty of damage to the federal work force. That is being done. But I hope the courts can stop that.

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                                      We can make it. There’s a limit what the senate can get passed. Unless the GOP upends senate rules. There’s limits to what permanently can be done. And they are focused on taxes now.

                                      I'm sorry to say but that's delusional. 18 more months of the current program and the US is likely ungovernable. DOGE is dismantling the bureaucracy, rendering its institutions useless right now. It will be extremely hard even to undo the damge done so far, rebuilding the IRS, USAID, NOAA, EPA, etc.

                                      The head of Project 2025 let out this, in July of last year:

                                      We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless ― if the left allows it to be.

                                      -- Kevin Roberts

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                                        It's too bad that the sensible areas of US are on both sides of the continent. Would make a split much simpler if they were closer together.

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                                          Sure, I agree with you. Although I have to say that personally, I believe the US isn't coming back from this any time soon, if ever. I say this because in my opinion the causes that led to the (repeated) Trump presidency (e.g. a terrible election system, money in politics, a culture of turning everything into a show, a deeply ingrained skepticism towards knowledge and science in large parts of the population, extremist capitalism etc.) go much deeper than just these past ~10 years. And I see no willingness and/or capability on the side of the opposition to really tackle any of these factors at the root.

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                                          "Name one country where socialism has worked." The United States, 1955, when corporate wealth tax was 90% and gave birth to a thing called the middle-class where a milkmans salary could afford a house and family.

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