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For 73% of French people, the United States is no longer an ally of France

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    America has the right to find its own destiny. America needs dramatic change to adapt to an ever-changing world. If France no longer see us as their ally then so be it. The world keeps on turning.

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    Not all of the 35 countries in America are like this, just one, the USA.

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      It’s a way higher number than that. Women, GSM, anyone not white, Muslims, disabled people, elderly people, children, students, immigrants, non-fluent English speakers, and of course, anyone outspoken against the regime.

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      What's the Groupe Spéciale Mobile got to do with anything?

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        La Louisiane*

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        I am talking the blue part, which is not part of Canada.

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          America has the right to find its own destiny. America needs dramatic change to adapt to an ever-changing world. If France no longer see us as their ally then so be it. The world keeps on turning.

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          France bled for America and America bled for France, both in absolutely existential conflicts that probably significantly affected the course of History but I guess since the rich orange man doesn't like us, that doesn't count ?

          What did Russia do for America, if I may ask ?

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            The other 27% must not read the news, eh?

            Even if you believe the US is an ally to whatever country you're from (outside of Russia, of course), he's proven to be untrustworthy and unreliable.

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            I assume the 27% are mostly fans of Marine Le Pen and they quite like Donald Trump.

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            • A [email protected]

              No one said we have to ally ourselves with dictatorships. France is one country in the world.

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              But thats clearly and exactly what the implication of what you are saying is given that is what the US administration is doing. You just don't want to say it explicitly for reasons that are understandable but inexcusable.

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              • A [email protected]

                America has the right to find its own destiny. America needs dramatic change to adapt to an ever-changing world. If France no longer see us as their ally then so be it. The world keeps on turning.

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                I can't wait to gun you down in the revolution. Eat shit and die nazi scum.

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                  Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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                    I assume the 27% are mostly fans of Marine Le Pen and they quite like Donald Trump.

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                    Nah. Some European fascists are anti-US too. Just not their main parties

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                      France should send a new gift to the US, to complement the statue of Liberty - a guillotine.

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                        France bled for America and America bled for France, both in absolutely existential conflicts that probably significantly affected the course of History but I guess since the rich orange man doesn't like us, that doesn't count ?

                        What did Russia do for America, if I may ask ?

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                        What did Russia do for America, if I may ask ?

                        The Russian Federation? Uh, not much. All I can think of is some support in the war on terror, and that's not a good thing.

                        The Russian Empire and even the Soviet Union did more for the US than the Russian Federation.

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                          France has always been a bit different. They left NATO for a bit to push back against the US/UK dominance and they developed an independent nuclear deterrent and delivery systems. They are a shit country in many ways, probably more like the US than they realise. They held onto colonialism for too long, have a stupid political system and their police and security services have done some shitty things. But hard not to admire their independence.

                          Many countries caved to the US and became client states, heavily reliant on US defence industry and an extension of the US military, not because we were free loaders as Trump claims but because the US pushed their interests so hard and for so long. We cancelled our own weapons programs and shuttered our factories to support US jobs ahead of our own. Most of us are so dependent on the US it has been hard to conceive of a world without them. Being against the US alliance was basically equivalent to being against national security and being a fool or a supporter of potential enemies.

                          Trump is breaking people's world view. The French leadership were decades ahead of the rest of us.

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                          The French people are amazing! They actually fight against oppression. Look up the gilets jaunes movement. The media barely covered it but they protest loudly, disruptively and even violently, looting etc. French descent people tend to do the same, eg the student fees protests in Montreal, in which the students won!!

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                            Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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                            Two yeas is a God damn long time to wait, Putin is knocking on the door of Ukraine and probably other Baltic countries.

                            And we like it or not EU is dependent on gas, be it Russian (direct or though 3 partirs) or US.

                            And sorry but you (US) fucked up bad this time.

                            PS: in 2 years maybe Greenland is US territory.

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                            • A [email protected]

                              America has the right to find its own destiny. America needs dramatic change to adapt to an ever-changing world. If France no longer see us as their ally then so be it. The world keeps on turning.

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                              America has the right to find its own destiny.

                              Seeing how many democratic governments the US state has destroyed, the US government has no right to find its own destiny.

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                                France should send a new gift to the US, to complement the statue of Liberty - a guillotine.

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                                Good post.

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                                  Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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                                  Don't pretend the solution to your problem is voting. Americans need to learn how countries like France resisted in WWII.

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                                  • comfy@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                    Good post.

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                                    Really? Did you report it because it was removed right after your comment. Why? I only said France should send a new gift to go along with the statue of liberty.

                                    Does everyone know which equipment was most associated with France's revolution?

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                                      Really? Did you report it because it was removed right after your comment. Why? I only said France should send a new gift to go along with the statue of liberty.

                                      Does everyone know which equipment was most associated with France's revolution?

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                                      It was removed before I replied, I looked into the comment moderation history to read it.

                                      🍿🎵 Luckily my instance isn't sensitive about this sort of thing. 🍿🎵

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                                        Two yeas is a God damn long time to wait, Putin is knocking on the door of Ukraine and probably other Baltic countries.

                                        And we like it or not EU is dependent on gas, be it Russian (direct or though 3 partirs) or US.

                                        And sorry but you (US) fucked up bad this time.

                                        PS: in 2 years maybe Greenland is US territory.

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                                        I finally bit the bullet and applied for my passport. I may just be leaving to get out of this shit show for the foreseeable future.

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                                          It was removed before I replied, I looked into the comment moderation history to read it.

                                          🍿🎵 Luckily my instance isn't sensitive about this sort of thing. 🍿🎵

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                                          Oh, I see. Seems kinda crappy to remove it just because I said a guillotine should be presented as a gift. I didn't say anyone should use it. I mean, I was gifted a knife for my birthday, am I not allowed to mention it?

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