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Are there any infectious disease experts who can give a clear overview of our risk for global pandemics in the near future?

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  • M [email protected]

    Given the engineered collapse of USAID and the NIH in the USA, as well as their turning away from WHO support, what are the most likely future scenarios? Can the other developed nations mount a credible pandemic response without the resources of the USA?

    I am especially interested in global perspectives because pathogens don’t need passports. How might this impact the global order?

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    Can the other developed nations mount a credible pandemic response without the resources of the USA?

    Yes. Just to show you an example from the other end of the developmental spectrum: even North Korea made it through COVID virtually without any resources.

    You speak English. There is an at least partially English speaking country to your North. There are more English speaking ones scattered around the world. Most cutting edge research in anything will eventually end up in an English version if it was from somewhere-elsistan originally. The US is/was not the only country with something like the CDC. If you google their counterparts I would not be surprised if you found a warning about a measles outbreak in Texas. The research will be done elsewhere; the US may only lose its leadership position in the field.

    BTW I would call the US response to COVID-19 just as shambolic as any other country's. The only difference was maybe they could throw more money at the problem. And that they could do again.

    No country will be fully prepared. Ever. We don't know what the next pandemic will be, we don't know when it will happen. The lab coats will have an idea but it's too vague to build policy around that in a world, where there continues to be no glory in prevention. Stockpiles will perish, emergency plans will gather dust, and we will all be shocked and surprised again.

    Humanity was sort of lucky that two Turkish scientists were quick to realize they could use a DNA something something method, that was not held in the highest regard in scientific circles before COVID hit, to make a vaccine in record time. They did that in Europe.

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      Given the engineered collapse of USAID and the NIH in the USA, as well as their turning away from WHO support, what are the most likely future scenarios? Can the other developed nations mount a credible pandemic response without the resources of the USA?

      I am especially interested in global perspectives because pathogens don’t need passports. How might this impact the global order?

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      Just wait til the CDC is gutted while at the precipice of a bird flu pandemic.

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        Call it conspiracy theory or good science, either way, as the ice melts I think it’s likely. Especially when we go poking around to see what’s what as it happens.

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        Well that’s one potential source of new pathogens, but we don’t need new pathogens to create a disaster.

        We (meaning the US) are currently dismantling our pandemic management infrastructure and withdrawing critical funding for international prevention efforts, kids are dying of Measles already and bird flu is already everywhere for all we know. And don’t forget that the regular flu can still be a major killer. God knows what Ebola is up to these days.

        This isn’t a future doomsday scenario like a John Carpenter movie. We will be facing this as the world turns into autumn 2025 in the northern hemisphere.

        We’ve had pandemic, now we get second pandemic, and we are going to have it very soon. But this time we will fight it with denial, a weapon proven to be useless against infectious diseases.

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          Well that’s one potential source of new pathogens, but we don’t need new pathogens to create a disaster.

          We (meaning the US) are currently dismantling our pandemic management infrastructure and withdrawing critical funding for international prevention efforts, kids are dying of Measles already and bird flu is already everywhere for all we know. And don’t forget that the regular flu can still be a major killer. God knows what Ebola is up to these days.

          This isn’t a future doomsday scenario like a John Carpenter movie. We will be facing this as the world turns into autumn 2025 in the northern hemisphere.

          We’ve had pandemic, now we get second pandemic, and we are going to have it very soon. But this time we will fight it with denial, a weapon proven to be useless against infectious diseases.

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          Texas measles has entered chat, followed by dismissive remarks from RFK Jr.

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            Given the engineered collapse of USAID and the NIH in the USA, as well as their turning away from WHO support, what are the most likely future scenarios? Can the other developed nations mount a credible pandemic response without the resources of the USA?

            I am especially interested in global perspectives because pathogens don’t need passports. How might this impact the global order?

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyVi4UzKxE&list=LL&index=8

            I realize this link doesn't directly answer your question, but it was the right technical level for me to better understand what's the big deal about the bird flu. And it has some comments about the state of healthcare here in the US & what we're doing (not doing) to prevent another pandemic. I liked it enough that I watched all 40 minutes, so I guess that's something? lol.

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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyVi4UzKxE&list=LL&index=8

              I realize this link doesn't directly answer your question, but it was the right technical level for me to better understand what's the big deal about the bird flu. And it has some comments about the state of healthcare here in the US & what we're doing (not doing) to prevent another pandemic. I liked it enough that I watched all 40 minutes, so I guess that's something? lol.

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              Oh that is a good video and a good channel overall, thank you.

              Yeah I don’t think I need to be an infectious disease expert to see the writing on the wall. We learned from the COVID Experience that a lot of the pain of a pandemic is the social chaos and confusion that make solving the resource choke-points even harder, creating a runaway feedback loop of problems.

              This time around we are less prepared, less informed and the woo-woo crowd has had their feelings validated lately so they are feeling extra empowered.

              Stocking up on simple essentials in a calm and measured manner is surely not a bad idea. Just some extra toilet paper, hygiene supplies.

              And of course, beans.

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                I can't speak for the political aspects.

                CSIS has a interesting talk on the politics of global health https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnErbYQ55kY

                However, the global metabolic crisis is a huge risk factor for pandemics. People with compromised immune systems are far more likely to be affected by or disabled by global pandemics. In the USA something like 8% of adults have ideal metabolic health, that means 92% have a compromised immune system

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                In the USA something like 8% of adults have ideal metabolic health, that means 92% have a compromised immune system

                Do you have a (written) source for that? I want to see how they came up with the numbers. Should be interesting.

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                  In the USA something like 8% of adults have ideal metabolic health, that means 92% have a compromised immune system

                  Do you have a (written) source for that? I want to see how they came up with the numbers. Should be interesting.

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                  Prevalence of Optimal Metabolic Health in American Adults: National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2009–2016

                  Metabolically healthy Americans.... at 12%

                  My data shows 88% metabolically unhealthy as of 2016, so I'm guessing it hasn't improved since then. But the exact numbers are not so important, the trend and prevalence

                  The more recent paper on this has it at 8% but I don't have that link handy.

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                    Prevalence of Optimal Metabolic Health in American Adults: National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2009–2016

                    Metabolically healthy Americans.... at 12%

                    My data shows 88% metabolically unhealthy as of 2016, so I'm guessing it hasn't improved since then. But the exact numbers are not so important, the trend and prevalence

                    The more recent paper on this has it at 8% but I don't have that link handy.

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                    Thank you very much!

                    That was quick!

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                    • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                      Thank you very much!

                      That was quick!

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                      Here is the new data until 2018. We are down to 6.8% healthy, 93.2% compromised.

                      https://hackertalks.com/post/7340607

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