Is Signal safe and still private on an IPhone?
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
iPhone isn’t safe
I cannot wait to get rid of mine
It is a listening device for the oligarch class
It is their property even tho you paid for it.
Tim Cook is instrumental in the fascist encroachment in our lives.
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
As long as you can trust Apple, sure
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
There's a lot of reasons why I think Signal on an iPhone may not be as private as on a FOSS Android ROM.
First thing is that you are probably getting your notifications from an Apple server. While Apple cannot see the message content, it os possible that they are still collecting some metadata, as when is the user receiving messages, etc.
Second, the usage of keyboard. I cannot prove that Apple is keylogging your every keyboard stroke, but I don't think anyone can disprove it either. On Android, we always ask users to use a FOSS keyboard, as some keyboard apps look at the screen and read messages to "provide better text prediction".
Last is app usage metadata. Apple is still storing all the information about how many times you unlock the phone and how much you use Signal, how many times you open the app in a day, when and (maybe even) why you open the app. Which photos you are sharing through your photos app with Signal, such information is also valuable.
I would say most of your conversations are private, as Signal's developers are very knowledgeable and they know what they are doing.
But if you have a skeptical mind like I do, or even like most people here do, I would not trust them a bit because of their proprietary code. You cannot be completely sure what they are doing. You just have to trust Apple, which most of here don't.
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
It's only as safe as Apple, which is to say you can't trust them. If you have AI enabled it'll be scanning everything (to include signal) to learn your habits and assist you "better".
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
on an iPhone
Lol. No
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
Theoretically: fuck no. Private operating system, not open source code, installation source is Apple itself, Apple helps law enforcement, Prism scooped up all unencrypted data.
Practically: signal wouldn’t keep developing an iOS app if there was hard evidence Apple couldn’t be trusted, Apple gives plenty of options for your data to not be collected in plain text and given to law enforcement (turn off iCloud backups, turn off biometrics, lockdown mode, advanced data protection) but not default because they’re trying to balance being a luxury product with compliance, as a luxury product it’s used by rich people and rich people love their privacy (citation needed), Apple is the only practical choice if you don’t get a google pixel, FBI is always fighting them on allowing full phone encryption, they rolled out a contact encryption key verification feature for their own iMessage.
Signal explicitly doesn’t allow its files to be uploaded to iCloud. You practically will be fine using it on iOS. Unless you are in China which has its own iCloud/Apple servers, or the UK where Apple disabled advanced data protection.
Apple provides encryption for its customers, but not by default. All its encryption features hint to me that they would prefer not having anything to hand over to the hundreds of law enforcement agency’s around the planet, but don’t want to piss them off by making it default. This aligns with it being a hardware and service company, vs the advertising company Google.
Privacyguides has a page on steps you can take in your iPhone to harden it.
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iPhone isn’t safe
I cannot wait to get rid of mine
It is a listening device for the oligarch class
It is their property even tho you paid for it.
Tim Cook is instrumental in the fascist encroachment in our lives.
But so is android. Most of us are unfortunately stuck with one or the other for now.
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But so is android. Most of us are unfortunately stuck with one or the other for now.
This looks promising https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
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This looks promising https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
Damn, I think they've actually come down on their price lately. They're a full $300 less than I paid for my Pixel.
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But so is android. Most of us are unfortunately stuck with one or the other for now.
Not if you're running a FOSS ROM (at least you'd hope that is the case).
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This looks promising https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
Those specs are atrocious for that price
Just get a cheap used pixel and use Graphene OS
Puri.sm is running a scam
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What should a screenshot that is about 12 years old prove or not prove? Technology has advanced significantly since then. Over the past decade, we've developed a range of new encryption algorithms, improved password hashing methods, TLS 1.3, post-quantum cryptography, and much more. The "Game of Trust" can be extended indefinitely, but using a 12-year-old screenshot as evidence for a situation in 2025 is questionable.
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
No, Apple bent the knee for concessions on tarifs. If you live in the US the chance your comms are backdoored on iOs is 100%.
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Those specs are atrocious for that price
Just get a cheap used pixel and use Graphene OS
Puri.sm is running a scam
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Theoretically: fuck no. Private operating system, not open source code, installation source is Apple itself, Apple helps law enforcement, Prism scooped up all unencrypted data.
Practically: signal wouldn’t keep developing an iOS app if there was hard evidence Apple couldn’t be trusted, Apple gives plenty of options for your data to not be collected in plain text and given to law enforcement (turn off iCloud backups, turn off biometrics, lockdown mode, advanced data protection) but not default because they’re trying to balance being a luxury product with compliance, as a luxury product it’s used by rich people and rich people love their privacy (citation needed), Apple is the only practical choice if you don’t get a google pixel, FBI is always fighting them on allowing full phone encryption, they rolled out a contact encryption key verification feature for their own iMessage.
Signal explicitly doesn’t allow its files to be uploaded to iCloud. You practically will be fine using it on iOS. Unless you are in China which has its own iCloud/Apple servers, or the UK where Apple disabled advanced data protection.
Apple provides encryption for its customers, but not by default. All its encryption features hint to me that they would prefer not having anything to hand over to the hundreds of law enforcement agency’s around the planet, but don’t want to piss them off by making it default. This aligns with it being a hardware and service company, vs the advertising company Google.
Privacyguides has a page on steps you can take in your iPhone to harden it.
Signal explicitly doesn’t allow its files to be uploaded to iCloud. You practically will be fine using it on iOS. Unless you are in China which has its own iCloud/Apple servers, or the UK where Apple disabled advanced data protection.
What difference does ADP make if your Signal chats are never stored in iCloud? Are they stored in cloud backups?
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No, Apple bent the knee for concessions on tarifs. If you live in the US the chance your comms are backdoored on iOs is 100%.
As an empiricist I cringe at any statement given with 100% certainty.
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As an empiricist I cringe at any statement given with 100% certainty.
Cool, shit is bad for you if you eat it, 100%.
Go try that now.
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Signal explicitly doesn’t allow its files to be uploaded to iCloud. You practically will be fine using it on iOS. Unless you are in China which has its own iCloud/Apple servers, or the UK where Apple disabled advanced data protection.
What difference does ADP make if your Signal chats are never stored in iCloud? Are they stored in cloud backups?
You’re correct, it doesn’t make a difference in regards to signal.
I meant it more as a general iPhone use. Your iPhone with ADP off is uploading everything to Apple iCloud unencrypted. By default only your passwords & health app data is encrypted.
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Basically just the title, delete this if it's not the right community.
I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.
iOS fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL. We do not control it, anti-libre software.
