Censorship
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Again, not wanting to hear bullshit != censoring. You can just go ahead and make your own instance that flames transgender people just for existing, if that's your thing, but people might find you annoying and rude and might not want to hang out with you.
Would you consider me blocking you to be censorship, for example? And if not, why would it be different if an entire group blocks you?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Nope, not even you guys are good to their eyes. When will you learn?
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Why is it always white people who only speak English that calls people racist?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
There isn't really a single "fediverse" that decides what's "allowed". What your fediverse is depends on where your account is and who they're federated with. You're perfectly free to say whatever you want on your own instance and talk to the other people on instances willing to federate with you. The thing is, being mean to people who have done nothing to harm you tends to make you pretty unpopular and make people not want to interact with you, that's why instances that encourage that tend to not be federated with very many popular instances.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I think your first sentence of reply has a mistake, maybe a word is missing, it is not clear. Or am I not understanding correctly?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Do people have a right to disagree with you? When you comment on any subject or topic, whatever it might be, do others have right to not support what you believe in? No marriage or serious relationship can last with restrictions on personal thought. Successful marriages must have room for disagreements.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
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OP has never been moderated themselves. They participated in a comments section about keyboards. Some of the comments about FUTO were deleted because it was deemed offtopic, even though it kind of seemed on topic to me. Then, there was a separate post about FUTO specifically, which also had some stuff deleted from it. So it doesn't seem like the issue was the on-topic-ness, after all. Maybe I missed something in my cursory glance over everything, but it definitely looked to me like the moderator was picking what point of view was "correct", and deleting comments that went too far in the opposite direction from that. OP asked, "Why is there so many censored posts about keyboard apps?" which sounds like a great question.
What did I miss? I could have missed something. What did you see that OP was talking about instead of that?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Federation = replication of content across multiple servers for the sake of preservation and accessibility.
It does not equate to freedom of speech or freedom from censorship.
If you want an instance that allows just about everything, I repeat: Start your own, nobody is stopping you.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I am looking at the modlog and see nothing, what am I missing?
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Yep. I quite enjoyed how lemigrad and lemmy.ml used to be the forerunners of lemmy and then quickly got kicked to the back because nobody in their right mind wants to interact with tankies.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
If we're talking on the phone and you start talking about stuff that I'm not interested in hearing, I'm allowed to hang up.
You can disagree all you want, that doesn't mean I'm required to listen to you.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
(You guys who are (guessing at what behavior this guy is describing as “censorship,” and basing your advice to him on your guess), need to learn to read the modlog.)
You guys need to learn to read the modlog.
You guys who are guessing at what behavior etc, need to learn to read the modlog.
You guys who are guessing at what behavior etc, and basing your advice etc, need to learn to read the modlog.
Probably my sentence structure was confusing.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
You blocking me does not qualify as censorship due to individual liberties. I can agree that if someone is frequently complaining about trans people, even some people who agree will grow tired of the negativity. There is a problem trying to public promote a service as an established service and attract new users, and then to say "No, we don't allow your kind in here, you are only allowed to agree with every word we say", that starts to look like a bait and switch scam and pushing dictatorial censorship.
Do an internet search for "mastodon censorship" and read through 10 different search results.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
This is almost always relevant as soon as someone complains about free speech, censorship, etc:
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Precisely lol.
OP was not the one "censored." They participated in a comments section about keyboards, and the mod was going around deleting comments about FUTO saying "offtopic," and OP asked why is someone censoring comments. That seems like a pretty fair question to me. Especially since some of the comments looked on topic to me, and then there was a second post "What are your thoughts on FUTO?" that also had some apparently-innocent comments that I guess the mod disagreed with deleted.
It sounds, to me, like OP has a point, and lemmy.world is doing its thing and just charging ahead with whatever the most stereotypical possible take someone could have on whatever issue is at hand, after seeing it and spending 0 seconds thinking, and then yelling at anyone who disagrees with that take. Maybe I missed something, but that's what it looks like to me.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
It's a harsh day sometimes when you're used to being "the boss" of your social circle, and all of a sudden you have to interact with a wider world that doesn't consider you the boss of anything.
Some people get humble and move on, wiser.
Some people earn the respect of the wider community and can sort of go back to being the boss, although they usually still present themselves more humbly. (Usually.) That is the hardest and maybe the most rewarding course of action.
Some people decide they're still the boss, god damn it, and still talk to everyone that way, and think everyone should recognize it, and it's a monstrous crime that they don't, and sort of interact mostly within their social circle because when they go outside it they tend to have issues.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
What? People are allowed to avoid people they have serious disagreements with? You have every right to have whatever unkind opinions you want to have, but that doesn't mean anyone is required to listen to you or like you. You're never going to be liked by everyone in the world, but if you can hardly find anyone willing to be around you, it's probably time to do some self refelction
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Mastodon and Lemmy themselves don't offer services. The people who install the app on their servers do. They set up their instance, with their rules and setup. Anyone who doesn't follow their rules isn't welcome.
But let's say that users have a problem with how instance A is handling it's modding. If they're on another instance B, they could ask their admin to block instance A. If you're on instance A, you can change instances, or better yet, make your own.
What we tell people that want to join is that there is no centralised server. Unlike reddit, if you get banned there, you have no link aggregator to go to. But if you get banned on Lemmy, you can, and I will repeat myself, change instances or make your own.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Yinz who's guessing at what this guy mean by “censorship,” and basing yinz advice to him on your guess, needs learned to read the modlog.
Happy now? There needs to be a non-offensive second person plural. I didn't mean anything by it, I just geniunely don't know what I should say that would be satisfying.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I don't think this is quite accurate. Without moderation tools this place would be riddled with spam, porn, and so on.
Moderation is a software system. Censorship is culture. You can approve of moderating obviously abusive content, while still objecting to the idea of moderators enforcing a single point of view by deleting comments that disagree with them.
Of course, there's a big grey area there. And some people complain about "censorship" when they are being abusive and being moderated for it, but that's not what OP is doing, as far as I can tell.