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  • bizzle@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

    At it's core a house is an inhabited building. I think an occupied outhouse might work even, if you stuck a much of them together with the vampire in the middle. I'm envisioning like a 3x3 porta potty cube with a vampire in the center one.

    But yeah I think there would have to at least be a person in each one

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    I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there's a major expectation of privacy there.

    I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn't be enough on it's own. Because it's not about convincing someone else to say it's ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say "I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?" They'd have to wait until you've read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you'd likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren't they?

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    • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

      I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there's a major expectation of privacy there.

      I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn't be enough on it's own. Because it's not about convincing someone else to say it's ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say "I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?" They'd have to wait until you've read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you'd likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren't they?

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      I 100% agree, the warrant alone wouldn't be enough

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        No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.

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        but jesus is everywhere

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          I think it's the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it's not the house that prevents them. It's the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories...that's what gives the threshold power.

          IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it's way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.

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          It would be such a Dresden type loophole to use that with the cliche of "home is wherever you are", and have someone believe that strongly enough to make the other person a living vampire repellent.

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            I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven't known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow "traditional" rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

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              [citation needed]

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              So if I'm walking towards my house after giving one a ride I can't tell her to come on in?

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                Oh god, I blame Nosferatu for most of the terrible vampire tropes.

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                  If you’ve voted, you’ve essentially agreed to the ToS

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                  Participated in democracy? Devoured by vampires, lmao

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                    does that mean that a vampire doesn't need permission to enter a house if he rents a bulldozer?

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                    I don't see why not. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to bomb a structure either.

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                      Police don't typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

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                      In this same vein, if a vamp-cop's partner entered the home, then invited the vamp-cop in, would the vamp-cop be able to enter then?

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                      • bappity@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                        if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?

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                        Well by that logic, if you found a vampire's lair /tomb while they slept, and then three a tent over it, wouldn't that cause them to die?

                        I'm def of the opinion its all about entering a building (not necessarily about being in one).

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                        • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

                          I don't see why not. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to bomb a structure either.

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                          vampire war criminals, hope the ICC does something about it

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                          • apeman42@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            It would be such a Dresden type loophole to use that with the cliche of "home is wherever you are", and have someone believe that strongly enough to make the other person a living vampire repellent.

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                            Upon further consideration and two drinks, I deand Hollywood use this as the twist ending to give Blade the love interest they're going to force in no matter what in the reboot.

                            Then in the sequel he sells out and gets a fancy new Batcave Crypt(?) funeded by some asshole who turns out to be the villain.

                            And Blade's conviction falters and it breaks her protection just long enough to get her tragically killed, setting up therevenge plot for the third movie.

                            God wqhy am I not a screenwriter. It's not good, but it would sell.

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                              Participated in democracy? Devoured by vampires, lmao

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                              A fitting end

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                                I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven't known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow "traditional" rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

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                                Vampires are older than property law, I think the power that keeps them out comes from physically dwelling in the place. As long as they're still living there, regardless of what a judge decided, it's their home as far as a vampire is concerned. Otherwise they could just ask each other for permission to enter someone else's house. I'm trying to remember if this came up in Buffy...

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                                • apeman42@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                  Upon further consideration and two drinks, I deand Hollywood use this as the twist ending to give Blade the love interest they're going to force in no matter what in the reboot.

                                  Then in the sequel he sells out and gets a fancy new Batcave Crypt(?) funeded by some asshole who turns out to be the villain.

                                  And Blade's conviction falters and it breaks her protection just long enough to get her tragically killed, setting up therevenge plot for the third movie.

                                  God wqhy am I not a screenwriter. It's not good, but it would sell.

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                                  Okay so then in Blade 3 its bsically Blade goign John Wick on some vampires until he finds out the vamp who killed his love is now part of a cult tying to smmon a demon.Then at the climax of the movie he has to choose betoween getting his revenge and stopping the summoning. and Blade is too driven by fury and he goes for revenge. So cliffhanger ending, the demon pops out of a portal. folloed by...

                                  JOHN CONSTANTINE!

                                  THAT'S RIGHT BIGHTCHES, BLADE 4 IS A BACKDOOR MARVEL/DC CROSSOVER!

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                                    Legally? Yes. Physically? No.

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                                      So what I'm gathering here is that you do indeed have vampires inside

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                                      Nope, absolutely no vampires here, definitely none at all, no siree. No vmpires in this house.

                                      /blinks franticly at the camera

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                                        In this same vein, if a vamp-cop's partner entered the home, then invited the vamp-cop in, would the vamp-cop be able to enter then?

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                                        Only the people living there can invite a vampire in.

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                                          I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven't known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow "traditional" rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

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                                          I think hearth magic doesn't work that way. When you live somewhere and set up a presence, it becomes your domain.
                                          A warrant doesn't take that away from you. You need permission to travel safely into someone's domain.

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