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In light of recent events, here's OpenStreetMap editors discussing naming of the Gulf of Mexico

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  • adespoton@lemmy.caA [email protected]

    Persian Gulf or Gulf of Iran?

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    Comes down to the language/data of the user I guess

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    • gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

      Wait there's talk of renaming New Mexico‽

      *after some digging *

      Oh thank god it was just a joke

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      New Mexico? You mean "South America", right?

      (Everything south of the Rio Grande is now "Mexico". Except for the Panama America canal.)

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      • S [email protected]

        Oh thank god it was just a joke

        for now

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        #16

        I'm hoping that my comment doesn't age like milk

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        • Z [email protected]

          As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

          • name:en Gulf of Mexico
          • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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          #17

          Fun fact, per the executive order, the whole body isn't being renamed the Gulf of America, only the "U.S. Continental Shelf area bounded on the northeast, north, and northwest by the States of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and extending to the seaward boundary with Mexico and Cuba". That is, less than the northern half, as indicated in this map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_ECS_Regions_2023.png

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          • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

            Can we poll the community for alternate names that would enrage Trump? If it's gonna change, let's have fun with it.

            Gulf of Veganism and Low Cholesterol

            Gulf of Checks and Balances

            Gulf of 34 Felony Counts

            Gulf of Cheetos (let's get those sweet advertising dollars while we're at it)

            Gulf of Insecurity

            Kamala-Clinton Gulf

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            #18

            Gul;f of Musk

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            • gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

              Wait there's talk of renaming New Mexico‽

              *after some digging *

              Oh thank god it was just a joke

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              #19

              Next month:

              • Texas -> Roof Tiles
              • El Paso -> The Pass
              • The Alamo -> The Poplar
              • Santa Fe -> Holy Faith
              • Nevada -> Snowed
              • Colorado -> Red
              • Palo Alto -> High Stick
              • Nogales -> Walnuts
              • Los Angeles -> The Angels

              …

              Paper companies would make a killing profit this period.

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              • gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

                Wait there's talk of renaming New Mexico‽

                *after some digging *

                Oh thank god it was just a joke

                beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #20

                But you couldn't tell, could you. 😂 I'm keeping this joke alive as long as I can, until Trump gets wind of it and actually does it.

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                • Z [email protected]

                  As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

                  • name:en Gulf of Mexico
                  • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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                  #21

                  Literally no one ever called it "Gulf of America" until January. I appreciate the generally thoughtful conversation on OSM, but there's no reason that declaration should be taken seriously.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    As an american. I want the option to display it as Gulf of Mexico. Like it's always been before that fat sack of shit was trying to win points wit hracists to distract them from the hand reaching up their ass to fuck them.

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                    #22

                    So now that is on the hands of the folks who use the OSM data. It's in a somewhat exotic tag, so by default any map that uses OSM will show Gulf of Mexico, unless they actively intervene to show Gulf of America. So if you see an OSM based map showing the latter, you know they made that choice consciously.

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                    • adespoton@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                      Persian Gulf or Gulf of Iran?

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                      #23

                      I just checked, and OSM has it as Persian Gulf, with the alternative name Arabian Gulf.

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                      • S [email protected]

                        As an american. I want the option to display it as Gulf of Mexico. Like it's always been before that fat sack of shit was trying to win points wit hracists to distract them from the hand reaching up their ass to fuck them.

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                        They could add a snowflake option that when activated makes it display as Gulf of America.

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                        • beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.orgB [email protected]

                          As an American and long time OSM contributor, I also vote extremely no on Gulf of America.

                          Also no on renaming New Mexico.

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                          "Petition to rename New Mexico to Freexico, and Mexico to Cartelistan"

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                          • D [email protected]

                            Literally no one ever called it "Gulf of America" until January. I appreciate the generally thoughtful conversation on OSM, but there's no reason that declaration should be taken seriously.

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                            #26

                            The maintainers were doing a good job reverting contributions for a while. Here's a good example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/16

                            They follow names assigned by https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/, and use the labels like en_US for official single-country names. While I would much prefer it remain an alt_name, I understand their rational. Ugh.

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                              The maintainers were doing a good job reverting contributions for a while. Here's a good example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/16

                              They follow names assigned by https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/, and use the labels like en_US for official single-country names. While I would much prefer it remain an alt_name, I understand their rational. Ugh.

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                              Yeah I feel like there needs to be a huge asterisk by name declarations that, while formal/official in the barest sense, are blatantly arbitrary.

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                              • Z [email protected]

                                As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

                                • name:en Gulf of Mexico
                                • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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                                #28

                                How is it the "official name" even for en-US? Trump isn't the be all and end all of naming things. Every single rational, thinking person in the USA, and many, many people who aren't so rational (Trump voters), still call it the Gulf of Mexico and always will. Official, my ass.

                                The early proposal of alt-name: en-US=Gulf of America seemed the most logical.

                                Holy hell, I hate this cursed timeline.

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                                • Z [email protected]

                                  As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

                                  • name:en Gulf of Mexico
                                  • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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                                  #29

                                  As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.

                                  Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won't change this.

                                  Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

                                  As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn't get to declare the name of a region of international waters.

                                  This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It's not a good look.

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    They could add a snowflake option that when activated makes it display as Gulf of America.

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                                    A checkbox labelled "Triggered" on the phone.

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                                    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneU [email protected]

                                      As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.

                                      Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won't change this.

                                      Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

                                      As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn't get to declare the name of a region of international waters.

                                      This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It's not a good look.

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                                      #31

                                      As an American, I will refuse to call it fuckass gulf of america.

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                                        How is it the "official name" even for en-US? Trump isn't the be all and end all of naming things. Every single rational, thinking person in the USA, and many, many people who aren't so rational (Trump voters), still call it the Gulf of Mexico and always will. Official, my ass.

                                        The early proposal of alt-name: en-US=Gulf of America seemed the most logical.

                                        Holy hell, I hate this cursed timeline.

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                                        Because the United States Board on Geographic Names now says so, as demanded by the Trump by Order No. 3423. They are the government body that defines what places are officially called.

                                        But unless you are a US federal employee, as Nick Fury once said, "I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it."

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                                        • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

                                          Can we poll the community for alternate names that would enrage Trump? If it's gonna change, let's have fun with it.

                                          Gulf of Veganism and Low Cholesterol

                                          Gulf of Checks and Balances

                                          Gulf of 34 Felony Counts

                                          Gulf of Cheetos (let's get those sweet advertising dollars while we're at it)

                                          Gulf of Insecurity

                                          Kamala-Clinton Gulf

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                                          #33

                                          How about Gulf of they/them?

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