Russia preparing for confrontation with Europe, EU's von der Leyen says
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By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD. I'd be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it's 14 years old anyway and most people class it as 4.5 gen.
By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD.
Why should Russia produce its own NGAD when Su-57M already integrates 6th generation technology including AI and drones to the Su-57?
The F-47 is smaller than Su-57M and is also smaller than China’s J-36. NGAD just seems like corruption to keep Boeing afloat. Boeing was not even expected to be the winning contender for the contract. That would be Lockheed Martin.
Both the J-36 and Su-57M would be better contenders for sixth generation aircraft.
I’d be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it’s 14 years old anyway
What? You don’t make sense. Su-57 entered production in 2021 and production peaked in 2023 with 12 being produced. Russia started retooling the production facilities for Su-57M production in 2024 which is the reason why only 6 were produced in 2024. Russia constructed a new production facility made entirely for Su-57M production. This means production should at least double to 24 per year. Although it will probably more than double to maybe 36 or more per year as the Su-57s had to share the assembly line with Su-35s in the first production facility.
most people class it as 4.5 gen.
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Well there is a lot of preparation for something going on.
Russia has been massively expanding its military to the point that they are modernizing T-62s with thermals to give to regular units. This is not because of losses in Ukraine. T-90M losses in Ukraine are low as per Oryx with Russia replacing three years of T-90M losses in 2-3 months in 2024. Russia produced 20-30 T-90Ms per month in 2024 which is 240 to 360 in a year (more tanks than the amount Germany has in its entire military). This likely has doubled or even quadrupled since then.
People severely underestimate the size of Uralvagonzavod. It is the largest tank factory in the world. Here it is superimposed over Washington DC and US tank factories:
Russia had 2.650 T-72B3s and T-72BAs in active service at the start of the war. They have only lost 790 since the start of the war as per Oryx. This leaves them with almost 2,000 T-72B3s and T-72BAs. This combined with old T-72Bs being modernized since the start of the war means Russia likely has well over 2,000 T-72s in active service.
This is already more tanks than the amount the US has in active service (around 1,600, Wikipedia states 2,600 but this is incorrect as the amount of Armoured BCTs got decreased).
Russia had around 300 T-90Ms at the start of 2024. Accounting for losses, they had 500-620 at the end of the year. By the end of this year, they will have 700-920 assuming losses and production stays the same.
Around a thousand T-62s have left storage since the start of the war. Most have been modernized.
This means Russia will have almost 4,000 tanks by the end of this year assuming production of T-90Ms did not increase since 2024 which I doubt.
The T-90M and T-72B3 are comparable to western tanks. The modernized T-62s are nowhere near as good as western tanks but will still be a major threat due to their large numbers.
We also know Russia is massively expanding its army because they have been establishing new units.
Here is just one example, the 44th Army Corps:
Which even western sources noted.
This is a newly formed Army Corps.
Russia even formed a new Motor Rifle Regiment just a week ago:
People forget that most of the Russian Armed Forces is not taking part in the Special Military Operation. The majority of soldiers in Ukraine are from irregular volunteer formations not from regular Russian military units. This is well shown by the losses.
Motorized Rifles: 6,457
VDV: 3,257
Naval Infantry: 1,305
Tank Crew: 1,806
Artillery: 851
Special Forces: 736
Engineering: 291
Navy: 291
VVS: 265
Other: 957
Total: 16,216
Source: MediaZona
This shows that the losses of Russian regulars is actually quite low. Including irregulars, the losses would be almost one hundred thousand as per the same source. This shows that Russia is mostly using irregulars.
Fog of war ? Did you see these ?
The total combat losses of the enemy (russia) from (...)
2022 feb 24 to 2025 Mar. 27
https://lemmy.world/post/27444482
personnel 908890
tanks 10438
troop carrying AFV 21701
artillery systems 25265
MLRS 1343
anti aircraft systems 1118
aircrafts 370
helicopters 335
UAV 30926
cruise missiles 3121
boats 28
submarine 1
vehicles & fuel tanks 42070
special equipment 3787
if your sources diverge, please choose only one of these numbers, the best established one, (# of lost tanks ?) with a different source (only one souce) for comparison.
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Fog of war ? Did you see these ?
The total combat losses of the enemy (russia) from (...)
2022 feb 24 to 2025 Mar. 27
https://lemmy.world/post/27444482
personnel 908890
tanks 10438
troop carrying AFV 21701
artillery systems 25265
MLRS 1343
anti aircraft systems 1118
aircrafts 370
helicopters 335
UAV 30926
cruise missiles 3121
boats 28
submarine 1
vehicles & fuel tanks 42070
special equipment 3787
if your sources diverge, please choose only one of these numbers, the best established one, (# of lost tanks ?) with a different source (only one souce) for comparison.
Ukrainian MOD is hardly reliable. Russia doesn’t even have 10K tanks.
MediaZona and Oryx meanwhile require actual evidence for their numbers.
Russian material losses are very well documented so I don’t see them being significantly higher. Oryx states that Russia has lost around 3K tanks. This is far more realistic.
MediaZona’s estimate for Russian losses is 150K including unconfirmed losses using excess male deaths. But these are mostly irregulars.
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Don't mind me I'm just in the comments to check out the armchair generals.
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Ukrainian MOD is hardly reliable. Russia doesn’t even have 10K tanks.
MediaZona and Oryx meanwhile require actual evidence for their numbers.
Russian material losses are very well documented so I don’t see them being significantly higher. Oryx states that Russia has lost around 3K tanks. This is far more realistic.
MediaZona’s estimate for Russian losses is 150K including unconfirmed losses using excess male deaths. But these are mostly irregulars.
Thanks for your reply - - i wish for Europe to rearm and for the coalition to push russia back. For this to happen, there has to be hope. While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war. Let's keep hope and try to be true.
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Thanks for your reply - - i wish for Europe to rearm and for the coalition to push russia back. For this to happen, there has to be hope. While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war. Let's keep hope and try to be true.
While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war.
This is true. During WW2 for example, Stalin stated that in four months of war, Germany lost four and a half million men. This was in reality, nonsense.
After the war, Soviet and Axis casualties are given by Krivosheev as this:
Krivosheev
Total Axis losses on the Eastern Front: 8,649,500
Soviet losses on the Eastern Front: 11,444,100
But the numbers given by David Glantz was:
David Glantz
Total Axis losses on the Eastern Front: 12,483,000
Soviet losses on the Eastern Front: 14,700,000
Why the millions added? Simple, it is because David Glantz adds estimates for the forgotten battles.
Meaning even after the war, the real numbers can not be given only estimated.
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It is not just military personnel. Read the links.
It seems like a Russian psyop (not that you are part of one) everytime someone underestimates Russia. It just seems like people want to make Russia seems weak so Europe does not rearm. Underestimating Russia only benefits Russia. Also see my new comment.
My favorite sources are random, unsourced internet comments, lol.
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See? This is what I mean. You are underestimating Russia which only benefits Russia. Nuclear weapons are maintained and tested regularly. Russia's nuclear forces are constantly doing military exercises to ensure readiness.
Like why do people keep underestimating the Russian military? Do they want the EU to not rearm? That only benefits Russia.
Western airpower will not do anything. Even if they don't follow the Princess Diana accords, they will struggle to penetrate Russian air defences. The main reason why the Russian Air Force has not been able to achieve air superiority is because Ukraine has more S-300s than the amount of AA batteries western Europe has combined.
Russia tests nuclear weapons regularly? Got some more reddit links to prove that?
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Russia tests nuclear weapons regularly? Got some more reddit links to prove that?
“Russia's development of new warhead designs and overall stockpile management efforts have been enhanced by its approach to nuclear testing. The United States believes that Russia probably is not adhering to its nuclear testing moratorium in a manner consistent with the "zero-yield" standard.”
- Lt. Gen. Robert P. Ashley, Jr., Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency
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Than you know your comment is nonesense. Ukraine has a stronger military than Germany, France, Italy, and the UK combined. This was the case even at the start of the war. Most of the Russian Armed Forces are not even deployed to Ukraine.
Do you have a source for that ?
Wasn't it mostly a large army but with obsolete equipment ? Let alone the whole nuke that France and UK do have -
Kinda weird anyone's worried I've seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Russias a pure non threat right now militarily all they can really do is threaten Nukes and if they did it's over for them.
I'd say Both Russia and the US are in major decline right now and we should just give Ukraine enough support to keep embarrassing them. Not sure Im for invading Russia directly unless they attack a Nato member.
Kinda weird anyone's worried I've seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Can you elaborate one what kind of simulation you've seen ? I wouldn't count on streamer playing DCS as an accurate intelligence source. And I wouldn't assume that when Russia send patrol close to the border of NATO (or NATO does-it close to Russia) they don't use 100% of their plane abilities, as soon as you turned on that top-secret radar jammer or have used your vectorial thrust in their full extent you can expect other nation to build counter-measures.
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Do you have a source for that ?
Wasn't it mostly a large army but with obsolete equipment ? Let alone the whole nuke that France and UK do have -
My favorite sources are random, unsourced internet comments, lol.
A bit lazy rn, will probably give sources later.
As a stopgap here is my reddit comment from 9 months ago that has sources
It is 9 months old, misses some things, etc.
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Kinda weird anyone's worried I've seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Can you elaborate one what kind of simulation you've seen ? I wouldn't count on streamer playing DCS as an accurate intelligence source. And I wouldn't assume that when Russia send patrol close to the border of NATO (or NATO does-it close to Russia) they don't use 100% of their plane abilities, as soon as you turned on that top-secret radar jammer or have used your vectorial thrust in their full extent you can expect other nation to build counter-measures.
You can probably find on of them on YouTube I think it was by grim reapers but yeah they set everything up as accurately as they can and set the ais to the same high level.
Then just watch how it plays out. The meteor missiles on the eurofighter are just much better in truth longer range, faster and they can spam more of the.
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While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war.
This is true. During WW2 for example, Stalin stated that in four months of war, Germany lost four and a half million men. This was in reality, nonsense.
After the war, Soviet and Axis casualties are given by Krivosheev as this:
Krivosheev
Total Axis losses on the Eastern Front: 8,649,500
Soviet losses on the Eastern Front: 11,444,100
But the numbers given by David Glantz was:
David Glantz
Total Axis losses on the Eastern Front: 12,483,000
Soviet losses on the Eastern Front: 14,700,000
Why the millions added? Simple, it is because David Glantz adds estimates for the forgotten battles.
Meaning even after the war, the real numbers can not be given only estimated.
MediaZona and Oryx ...
These are the sources you gave in this thread ... i can't find anything wrong about those now ... but since you've been banned from this community, maybe someone else will discuss it eventually.
