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You can now also choose to just be assigned a new email account when you start using Delta Chat (only drawback is that you can’t send unencrypted emails with that email account so you can’t use it for anything other than chatting)

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Signal is neither of those

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Doesn't delta use email under the hood, an unsecure protocol?

You're better off using something like Matrix, XMPP, SimpleX or Signal.

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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried

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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat

Maybe. That's from what i've seen off the website.

Signal is not private

Could you elaborate on this? haven't heard of this point (is it due to the jurisdiction on a 5 eyes country?)

SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried

It actually does now. It's a very solid choice i'd say

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As a heads up, the person you're arguing with seems to be using an LLM to generate text.

I would down vote and move on. It's not a real discussion.

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You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.

Also anyone who knows your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117#real-world-application-discord

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Downvote for what? What part is wrong?

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Yep. Noticed when they forked the convo.

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Oh, cool. TBH I don't think that's a drawback, just customised to the very specific usage. So you get a [email protected] email or something?

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I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.

I'm here trying to learn about Delta Chat and why you think it's a good app given the drawbacks of the approach they've taken. Over the years there's been an incredible amount of messengers pop up, 90 million from Google alone and none have opted for SMTP. There's surely a reason for that. From what I've learned, mostly thanks to Gemini, because holy fuck the Delta Chat website feels like something from 20 years ago and is purposely vague, the solution that Delta has gone for is just to add more layers. Again, something that the world has repeatedly opted against. I'm trying to understand why it's considered a good idea in this case and why so many teams and startups have decided not to use this methodology until now?

Jesus Christ, being curious shouldn't feel like a chore.

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you need a phone number to make an account. but you can chat with others without divulging your phone number

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You can choose any chatmail server just like when you sign up for lemmy you can choose which instance you’re gonna have your account on. And you can also run your own instance and allow people to sign up on there.

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Interesting, thanks. I think SimpleX fixes a lot of signal's issues, but the only problem i have that it is funded by VC and quite new.

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Ah so they are just capturing users currently and will have to make return on investment later? That’s a no from me.

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there's also session

https://getsession.org/

unfortunately privacy and usability are inversely related. session is private. I loved it. but I had no one to chat with

I had no idea if any of my contacts were on session or not.

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Yeah it's a shame, though i'm going to wait before switching to it to see if it gets itself into any hot water.

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How is it different

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You are confusing privacy with anonymity. You aren't anonymous because your user is linked to a phone number, but your communications are private due to how their encryption works.

On the location attack: it is a matter of configuration and your location will be as ambiguous as thousands of miles.

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What VC money has Matrix taken? Genuinely curious

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