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There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission.

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    There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission. there aren't laws saying padlocks need to support a government master key, and encryption is just a digital lock.

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      There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission. there aren't laws saying padlocks need to support a government master key, and encryption is just a digital lock.

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      With a pad lock they do have a key though. Bolt cutters.

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        With a pad lock they do have a key though. Bolt cutters.

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        Bolt cutters are not a key, they are a method of bypassing the lock. they still need a warrant to do that, which is the point.

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          Bolt cutters are not a key, they are a method of bypassing the lock. they still need a warrant to do that, which is the point.

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          The laws don't exist though because they're so easily circumvented. If you AES256 encrypt something today, there's an extremely lonely chance they can't crack it. For years.

          With a padlock they can just pull out the cutters and they're done.

          I'm just referring to your point on why there are no laws against padlocks in this context.

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            The laws don't exist though because they're so easily circumvented. If you AES256 encrypt something today, there's an extremely lonely chance they can't crack it. For years.

            With a padlock they can just pull out the cutters and they're done.

            I'm just referring to your point on why there are no laws against padlocks in this context.

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            fair enough, padlock was the wrong type of lock for the analogy. how about a vault door? sure that may not be as common, but you don't have to support a government master key for those either.

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              they still need a warrant to do that

              Lol...

              In fascism, if you have the biggest gun, you do what you want. And Trump has the biggest "gun:

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                they still need a warrant to do that

                Lol...

                In fascism, if you have the biggest gun, you do what you want. And Trump has the biggest "gun:

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                I'm talking about legally, and as much as I don't like trump we are not in a fascist country (yet).

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                  fair enough, padlock was the wrong type of lock for the analogy. how about a vault door? sure that may not be as common, but you don't have to support a government master key for those either.

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                  Same thing goes for vaults, or all physical locks. It may take a little longer than a padlock but nothing comparable to the amount of time it would take to brute force good encryption. We’re talking maybe a couple of hours or days for a vault vs. millions of years.

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                    I'm talking about legally, and as much as I don't like trump we are not in a fascist country (yet).

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                    What do you think the line is? When will it cross over and become acceptable to call it "fascism"? Because we've embodied Eco's 14 features of Ur-Fascism for like 20 years. We now have a de facto dictator who is using that framework to do explicitly fascist things... Where is the line?

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                      That's literally what TSA approved locks are... Of course the master keys are freely available to everyone.

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