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They used to refer to this ideology as "Metrosexual - Gay in the streets, straight in the sheets."
wrote last edited by [email protected]stupid ass name, remember that.
what if men took a bit if care about their hygiene.
MEW SEXUALITY ALERT!!!
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stupid ass name, remember that.
what if men took a bit if care about their hygiene.
MEW SEXUALITY ALERT!!!
That’s what people in 2004 told you metrosexual was. That’s not what it actually is
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gonna have to downvote you for sharing such a cancerous website, sorry mate. I can't condone that shit without disclaimers
Sounds like someone is raw doggin' the internet. That's never a good idea.
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Why are we redefining someone else's gender for them instead of redefining what it means to be a man? Normalize make up and 'girl clothes' for men. Normalize looking pretty for men. Regardless if someone declares themselves trans or cis, believe them.
exactly.
I'd like to wear makeup without being accused of being gay (i am gay but not because I like makeup)
I'd like to wear dresses without being accused of being drag (I'm not even sure what that means)
I'd like to be pretty without being called weak (i can bench press your mother)
people should be allowed to be who they are.
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"still cis tho" is used a lot in trans places as a joke for trans people in denial, which i think is what this is poking at
Fair, I admit I am not hanging out in those places that often. Kids these days and their language, man. Get off my lawn!
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Blame Beau Brummel for that one.
https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-historical-figure-who-ruined-mens-fashion-forever
Ugly Brummel (Beau = beautiful in french)
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Why are we redefining someone else's gender for them instead of redefining what it means to be a man? Normalize make up and 'girl clothes' for men. Normalize looking pretty for men. Regardless if someone declares themselves trans or cis, believe them.
That's what bothers ma a bit about "being trans". Why is it considered as having the wrong biological sex and not just disrupting the gender stereotypes?
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The only person who can tell a person what their gender is is that person themselves. Even if it's obvious to everyone around them, it's not one's job to dictate to another something that personal.
Or we could just abolish all these gender stereotypes and acknowledge everyone has one biological sex (except rare genetic variants) but it doesn't matter and no one has to know which genitals you have in everyday life.
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Or we could just abolish all these gender stereotypes and acknowledge everyone has one biological sex (except rare genetic variants) but it doesn't matter and no one has to know which genitals you have in everyday life.
You know that's not going to happen tho, right? People aren't going to just forget all the centuries upon centuries of reinforcement of these roles and expectations. All you can ask is that we be kind to one another.
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No, but your question reminds me of how before puberty, I wanted to play video games as a male character (girls had cooties) but after puberty I often prefer to play as a female character. I still play RPGs as a male (I suppose it helps me get in character, plus romance subplots feel weird otherwise) but in other games I usually choose female characters because they're prettier (not necessarily in a sexual way). I liked paying Guild Wars because many of the women's outfits were just gorgeous. One character class went into battle wearing my choice of fancy dress. That was fun.
(The Guild Wars graphics look a lot worse than I remembered. They seemed really good back then.)
That's interesting, why do you think in video games you want to play a pretty character that can wear gorgeous outfits?
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That's what bothers ma a bit about "being trans". Why is it considered as having the wrong biological sex and not just disrupting the gender stereotypes?
It's because gender presentation is only one component of it, and the other is biochemistry.
Trans people experience dysphoria partly because their bodies do not produce the amount of sex hormones (progestogens we, androgens, and estrogens) at a ratio that matches what their brain needs. It's like putting gas into a diesel engine. Their brain expects their body to develop in a certain way, and it does not.
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That's what bothers ma a bit about "being trans". Why is it considered as having the wrong biological sex and not just disrupting the gender stereotypes?
Are you talking the difference between something like cross dressing and being trans? I'll dive into it as I've had this on my mind recently.
My understanding is the main focus of being trans is the change in gender identity. Biological sex doesn't really come into it, it's all about social roles, expectations etc. A man can wear woman's clothing and still be a man after all.
I can't really speak for people's experiences when it comes to them not physically matching their views on their gender. It's a deeply individual thing I imagine. Physical changes, hormones etc are not required to be trans, though they can be a part of it.
The point that caught me for a bit was my views on gender equality. I was of the opinion that gender/sex stereotypes shouldn't really define people, but that clashed with the idea that people sometimes desire the stereotypes that go along with gender.
It's a tricky thing to want both true equality but also respect differences in gender, because in some ways they aren't always compatible. But we aren't the result of our ideals so much as we are the result of our upbringings, and gender is a large part of our identity. It's baked into us, girls want pretty dresses, boys want power tools, and you will be treated different based on what you present as, regardless of how bullshit that might be.
The way I see it, it's only fair to say fuck it, you can be whichever gender you want. I still think stereotypes are something we should move away from ultimately, but that's a long road that I'll never live to see the end of, and if someone can be happier today, I don't see why that's a problem.
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But at least we get pockets.
Yes, we are pack mules.
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this is far beyond gender.
Males are styled to be boring, girls to be pretty.
the fact that a man can get married, work, and buried in the same suit is depressing as fuck.
men need to feel pretty too.
I'm a cis male and I have so little interest in my looks that the only looks related thing that I even think about, is my weight, mainly because I don't want to be unhealthy. If I'm "overweight" or "obese" and healthy, I couldn't give a fuck about being whatever weight I am. I just know that being overweight is frequently a sign of being unhealthy, or can cause health complications like T2 diabetes.
I typically wear black 90% of the time or more, because I don't have to think about matching colors or standing out or being stylish or whatever.
For fashion, all black, uninteresting clothes, are generally neither hated, nor loved by people. It's very meh, bland, uninteresting, not notable, and generally very meh.
I'm good with that. I may never be "en vogue" or whatever the fuck, but I'll never have someone looking at me like "you're wearing that shirt with those pants?"
They're all black. I'm wearing black jeans with a black T-shirt. -
Are you talking the difference between something like cross dressing and being trans? I'll dive into it as I've had this on my mind recently.
My understanding is the main focus of being trans is the change in gender identity. Biological sex doesn't really come into it, it's all about social roles, expectations etc. A man can wear woman's clothing and still be a man after all.
I can't really speak for people's experiences when it comes to them not physically matching their views on their gender. It's a deeply individual thing I imagine. Physical changes, hormones etc are not required to be trans, though they can be a part of it.
The point that caught me for a bit was my views on gender equality. I was of the opinion that gender/sex stereotypes shouldn't really define people, but that clashed with the idea that people sometimes desire the stereotypes that go along with gender.
It's a tricky thing to want both true equality but also respect differences in gender, because in some ways they aren't always compatible. But we aren't the result of our ideals so much as we are the result of our upbringings, and gender is a large part of our identity. It's baked into us, girls want pretty dresses, boys want power tools, and you will be treated different based on what you present as, regardless of how bullshit that might be.
The way I see it, it's only fair to say fuck it, you can be whichever gender you want. I still think stereotypes are something we should move away from ultimately, but that's a long road that I'll never live to see the end of, and if someone can be happier today, I don't see why that's a problem.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's what I was also thinking and can understand. What I don't understand is to really physically alter and damage your body to match your physiology to your desired gender. Is this really necessary? In the end it's only a superficial change as well and factually and genetically you will still be of a certain biological sex.
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It's because gender presentation is only one component of it, and the other is biochemistry.
Trans people experience dysphoria partly because their bodies do not produce the amount of sex hormones (progestogens we, androgens, and estrogens) at a ratio that matches what their brain needs. It's like putting gas into a diesel engine. Their brain expects their body to develop in a certain way, and it does not.
How can this be differentiated of body dysphoria disorders where one perceives their own body as overly flawed or distorted without it being like that? Serious question. I am genuinely concerned about this.
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That's interesting, why do you think in video games you want to play a pretty character that can wear gorgeous outfits?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sexual attraction does play a role - I'm not aroused by playing a game, but attractiveness is a type of beauty and I enjoy looking at beauty. I also think that women are just prettier than men even in an entirely non-sexual way, but I wonder how much of that is simply a reflection of being taught that women are the beautiful gender rather than an innate aesthetic preference. That segues into an interest in traditionally feminine social roles. I admit that I'm a bit envious of women, not because I consider myself a woman or want to become a woman, but because women get to be beautiful, delicate, desirable, etc. and men generally don't.
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That's what I was also thinking and can understand. What I don't understand is to really physically alter and damage your body to match your physiology to your desired gender. Is this really necessary? In the end it's only a superficial change as well and factually and genetically you will still be of a certain biological sex.
As I said, it's not mandatory. It's a personal choice, not much different to a piercing, tattoo or bodymod in my mind. I don't particularly care for any of those, but it's not my body that it's being done to either, so my feelings are largely irrelevant.
Beyond that, the motivations of any other person are going to be somewhat alien, because people cannot truely know or communicate experiences beyond a very surface level. You or I cannot fully understand, because we haven't experienced it. We have to trust that stuff like this is what they want, because that is what they're telling us with the limited communication abilities humans have.
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As I said, it's not mandatory. It's a personal choice, not much different to a piercing, tattoo or bodymod in my mind. I don't particularly care for any of those, but it's not my body that it's being done to either, so my feelings are largely irrelevant.
Beyond that, the motivations of any other person are going to be somewhat alien, because people cannot truely know or communicate experiences beyond a very surface level. You or I cannot fully understand, because we haven't experienced it. We have to trust that stuff like this is what they want, because that is what they're telling us with the limited communication abilities humans have.
Well said. As a doctor I am just worried that sometimes it might not be what they really want. Obviously, people often want and do what is not best for them due to psychological "distortions".
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They used to refer to this ideology as "Metrosexual - Gay in the streets, straight in the sheets."
Isn't that when you have sex with buses?
