The recent Steam censorship debacle actually sort of opened me up to adult games.
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I've been into nsfw games for a while, but I do genuinely enjoy a lot of them. Corruption of Champions 2 is a great game, with a lot of customization and great characters, though it is apparent that the game isn't finished yet.
Tales of Androgyny has some of the highest quality scenes I've encountered in an nsfw game. It's also pretty funny. More games should have a femboy protagonist, is all I'm saying.
Oh man, CoC is a name I haven't heard in a loooong long time. I think I have a save file and the original flash version hanging around somewhere.
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I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?
Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?
Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.
Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.
Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.
And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.
The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.
Oh man! You've just giving me something that I think will really help stoke the fire in my relationship!
I've never really been into sexual roleplay and it's one of the things my partner previously expressed an interest in. We regularly game together either doing co-op or single player since we feel it's more engaging sometimes than zoning out on a movie., so the recommendations like "Leap of Love" sounds like the perfect gaming/drinking night that might kinda dip into the roleplaying aspect!
I really wish I claimed it when I saw it, just a few clicks and I'm kicking myself for it now. Are there any others you or anyone else would recommend that are more fantasy roleplay focused and might be good for two people?
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once something erotic has merit beyond the erotic it often loses its porn classification in the public eye.
This definitely poses a problem. Er... depending on what we think a problem is, I guess. But the stuff I'm thinking of, it would be very hard to do this to.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe but like Story of O is on the verge (apologies as these are all going to be bdsm) by nature of it being old and remembered. The 120 Days of Sodom is likely mostly read by people not into it in a sexual way (mind you I think it's mostly read by the edgy). 50 Shades of Grey is atrociously written and yet despite being a story existing to package soft core pornography that's the dissenting opinion on it, not the mainstream consensus. Sunstone meanwhile is the inverse, soft core pornography to entice and enhance a story about bdsm. All of these except Sodom are edge cases where some people might be uncomfortable regardless of which box you put it in
Though I'll acknowledge it does get harder for much more explicit stuff with less non-sex content.
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It's because both sides were always divided on sex. The "beer, titties, and jesus" crowd and the anti porn feminists had been the lesser voices of their side for a while. But in the fallout of the sexual revolution, in the 70s and 80s second wave feminism developed a really anti sex stance, especially towards deviant types of sex. This was the feminist sex wars, and its the era of a lot of the more batshit bits. But it did begin with reasonable criticism. There was fighting back however, from lesbian feminist sadomasochism groups like Samois to owned porn cooperatives where radical ideas wete tried like having the entire crew be naked so the performers weren't the only ones exposed.
People like to blame third wave feminism for the swing back, and I disagree. The third wave was the movement born of the critiques of the second wave, and the renewed push for sexual liberation in the 90s ans 00s was quintessentially third wave. And it got far, it did a lot, and it also left us with a lot to criticize. Whether it's media criticism like Sarkeesian was harassed for daring to do, or it's the unfortunately common stories of women being pressured into sex acts they don't want with feminist language critiques had been mounting in the early 10s.
The theoretical fourth wave is often called twitter feminism, and i think it's best to consider that the first real thing it did that impacted anything was the metoo movement. I believe metoo was a good thing. It's next to the Arab spring as among the few things Twitter ever did that are good. But it and the late third wave criticisms gave room for the sex negative side to return to prominence. That's where we are now, but I dont think it will last.
Because I think we need to remember that while there is an internal back and forth, there's also the realpolitik of the fact that you can pull horny people if nobody else does. A chunk of gamergate is straight up that. Shining feminist media critiques through the worst possible lens to horny boys and men. Anyways the right has dropped their horny-prude coalition recently and is all in on prude, which is coinciding with chunks of the left getting tired of the dominant position of our prudes.
Anyways free the nipple, and what 20 consenting adults do behind closed doors is their right to do.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Since you seem knowledgeable, maybe I'll bug you about something I've wondered about?
Did you notice a significant (huge by my measure) increase in attempts at polyamory for a period of time? As in, that trend seemed to have almost a start and an end, and a real big swell in the middle. And if so, any comments on how that fits into your timeline overview above? Some of your thoughts sound like they may point to this but I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth.
Anecdotally, it seems to me like I watched a huge chunk of my (significantly) younger sister's generation get themselves into plural relationships, then realize after a year or two of various attempts (often including some serious abuse) that actually they didn't like that idea at all.
And don't get me wrong, I absolutely encourage people to try what they are curious about, it's a tragedy to spend a life never exploring what one might like. But that phenomena with polyamory / plural relationships in particular stuck out to me, largely because many of the people I saw try it had never previously indicated even remote interest in similar, some behaved fairly jealously toward their partners actually. It felt like a strange societal motivation, some kind of soft cultural pressure among peers, to go for it. And I personally never witnessed a positive outcome, either (which is not me saying that no one should live that way if they enjoy it, or that no one can find it genuinely fulfilling, healthy, and preferable). And for those with clear gender lines in the plural relationships, it was always polygynous - never polyandrous (please let me know if those terms are offensive). Felt like weaponized sexual liberation, frankly, by horny dudes, but that's me making some possibly unfair leaps and introducing my own bias into the interpretation.
I guess more than anything else I was just struck by what felt like a wave in popularity, followed by an accompanying wave of "oh, nah fuck that actually, forever". Was interesting to watch. Any thoughts?
(Disclaimer: this can be a thorny topic, anyone should feel free to correct anything I've misrepresented, misunderstood, or just been unkind about, I'm not a jerk on purpose usually).
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I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?
Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?
Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.
Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.
Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.
And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.
The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.
"Some hentai games are very good." -Edward Snowden, referring to Lovers
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I've been into nsfw games for a while, but I do genuinely enjoy a lot of them. Corruption of Champions 2 is a great game, with a lot of customization and great characters, though it is apparent that the game isn't finished yet.
Tales of Androgyny has some of the highest quality scenes I've encountered in an nsfw game. It's also pretty funny. More games should have a femboy protagonist, is all I'm saying.
He's the main love interest, not the protag, but have you seen Haunted by Femboy? A little on the silly side, but I enjoyed the demo.
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I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?
Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?
Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.
Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.
Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.
And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.
The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.
wrote last edited by [email protected]On the m/m side, the visual novel Coming Out on Top is a remarkably well-written, if saccharine, dating game about a college guy figuring things out. I don't usually like VNs but this one was worth playing. It's has a lot of gay sex in it, that is literally the entire point so, you know, be aware of that.
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Since you seem knowledgeable, maybe I'll bug you about something I've wondered about?
Did you notice a significant (huge by my measure) increase in attempts at polyamory for a period of time? As in, that trend seemed to have almost a start and an end, and a real big swell in the middle. And if so, any comments on how that fits into your timeline overview above? Some of your thoughts sound like they may point to this but I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth.
Anecdotally, it seems to me like I watched a huge chunk of my (significantly) younger sister's generation get themselves into plural relationships, then realize after a year or two of various attempts (often including some serious abuse) that actually they didn't like that idea at all.
And don't get me wrong, I absolutely encourage people to try what they are curious about, it's a tragedy to spend a life never exploring what one might like. But that phenomena with polyamory / plural relationships in particular stuck out to me, largely because many of the people I saw try it had never previously indicated even remote interest in similar, some behaved fairly jealously toward their partners actually. It felt like a strange societal motivation, some kind of soft cultural pressure among peers, to go for it. And I personally never witnessed a positive outcome, either (which is not me saying that no one should live that way if they enjoy it, or that no one can find it genuinely fulfilling, healthy, and preferable). And for those with clear gender lines in the plural relationships, it was always polygynous - never polyandrous (please let me know if those terms are offensive). Felt like weaponized sexual liberation, frankly, by horny dudes, but that's me making some possibly unfair leaps and introducing my own bias into the interpretation.
I guess more than anything else I was just struck by what felt like a wave in popularity, followed by an accompanying wave of "oh, nah fuck that actually, forever". Was interesting to watch. Any thoughts?
(Disclaimer: this can be a thorny topic, anyone should feel free to correct anything I've misrepresented, misunderstood, or just been unkind about, I'm not a jerk on purpose usually).
Kinda, I'm actually polyamorous myself and most of my social circle still is. But I've heard of what you described. In my circles it's been a lot more women lead and queer though. I think a lot of people jumped in without breaking their mental monogamy as well. Polyamory can be difficult, and for a lot of people especially those who jump in without thinking or who began their relationship monogamous it can be a spectacular shitshow, much like many relationships where incompatible desires are present or where people go in without knowing how to do it well.
I once had a relationship that I think a lot of my ex's friends probably see as exactly like you described. We began monogamous, it was my first relationship and it was in the mid 10s, and within a year I realized monogamy wasn't for me. So we opened up, then did full poly, got engaged, and she realized she couldn't do poly. She pressured me into monogamy (I had been willing to call it quits) and I hated it. It was an ugly breakup that she likely blames on me pressuring her into polyamory. Funny enough a few months after the breakup when I wasn't looking for anything serious I met someone else who'd recently had a breakup over wanting to stay poly, and we're happily married with a clear mutual understanding that neither of us is open to closing the relationship.
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On the m/m side, the visual novel Coming Out on Top is a remarkably well-written, if saccharine, dating game about a college guy figuring things out. I don't usually like VNs but this one was worth playing. It's has a lot of gay sex in it, that is literally the entire point so, you know, be aware of that.
Nice. I don't typically go for M/M unless femboys are involved, but it's what my wife likes, and that's one of the ones I linked her when she asked me to research a few games for her to try.
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Some of these games have incredible writing. Personally, I'd recommend trying Eternum. It's not finished yet but there's already a ton of content and the writing is incredible. Another game by the same person called Once in a Lifetime is also really good but shorter.
Besides those two, I'd really recommend The Princess Trap. Also unfinished but still lots of content. This one is definitely a bit more niche and might not be for everyone but the drama and mystery in it is really incredible.
All of these games are pretty slow to get to the sex stuff to be honest (especially The Princess Trap). But every moment in-between makes it so worth your time.
I just finished what exists so far for The Princess Trap last night. I have to recommend holding off on it till it’s finished so you don’t end up in as much despair as me.
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Nice. I don't typically go for M/M unless femboys are involved, but it's what my wife likes, and that's one of the ones I linked her when she asked me to research a few games for her to try.
Femboys can be hot too, though often authors seem to mix up femboys with trans women and that ends up being frustrating when I try a CHOYA game marked as m/m and it doesn't have any actual m/m in it.
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Maybe the match 3 stuff, but there are a lot of 'adult' games that are beyond that. Go play The Last Sovereign and tell me it isn't better than all the final fantasies, I dare you.
I was going to mention The Last Sovereign in this thread. It’s a little bit hard to recommend because it’s like, barely modified RPG maker sprites and some serviceable art for sex scenes, along with the difficulty. However that game is a damn magnum opus.
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I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?
Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?
Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.
Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.
Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.
And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.
The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.
I was disappointed by Fetish Locator; I wasn't into any of the included fetishes, so I rapidly got to the end, and missed all the content. Got an ending screen suggesting I should go back and try something, but like, no thanks! Still, at least it was free!
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Oh man! You've just giving me something that I think will really help stoke the fire in my relationship!
I've never really been into sexual roleplay and it's one of the things my partner previously expressed an interest in. We regularly game together either doing co-op or single player since we feel it's more engaging sometimes than zoning out on a movie., so the recommendations like "Leap of Love" sounds like the perfect gaming/drinking night that might kinda dip into the roleplaying aspect!
I really wish I claimed it when I saw it, just a few clicks and I'm kicking myself for it now. Are there any others you or anyone else would recommend that are more fantasy roleplay focused and might be good for two people?
That’s a difficult one. Due to their target audience, a lot of them are more focused on storytelling (usually limited gameplay and more reading along in a choose your own adventure style) for a single player. What you’re describing is a bit of an untapped market, but give F95zone.to a look and you might find something. It’s a site dedicated to collating freely available adult games (with ways to support the authors linked). It’s where a lot of the games OP talks about found their audience.
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Tycho, of Penny Arcade, actually had some words on this subject around the time the PC version of Stellar Blade came out and people were up in arms about it. I'll quote it here because I think it's a good passage.
I used to say that I grew up Christian, but I think it's probably more accurate to say Evangelical, especially now that more people might know what I'm talking about. Sex was VERY naughty and we needed to be constantly on the lookout for incursions of this secular, demonic, but also somehow worryingly inherent force…? Breaking that pernicious notion down and enabling people to express themselves was the project I thought I'd more or less seen completed. Now it's come around some weird bend, with precisely the same energy as before, except now it's being done for the correct reasons. It can't possibly be this dumb. And yet!
It's incredibly fucking boring to have the tail end of the revolution you saw win shame the tools that gave them victory, dust off a bunch of regressive shit, and then have the pluck to feel righteous about it.
It sort of mirrors my own experience (minus the evangelical upbringing). I definitely recall a period of general sex-positivity that has now come around some strange turn whereby the very same voices are admonishing people for daring to enjoy sexy things.
It's very strange.
It has taken me nearly 30 years to undo that programming and it still affects me. The puriteens scare me.
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I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?
Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?
Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.
Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.
Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.
And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.
The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.
I believe the only reason adult games aren't as popular in Western countries as they are in Japan (and I think elsewhere in Asia?) is because there's a stereotype that they're low quality, which came about because of the ESRB (not sure about other countries' rating systems) basically making it so there was no money in it in a pre-digital download world.
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I was disappointed by Fetish Locator; I wasn't into any of the included fetishes, so I rapidly got to the end, and missed all the content. Got an ending screen suggesting I should go back and try something, but like, no thanks! Still, at least it was free!
You do kind of have to buy into it. Most of the engagement of the story is locked behind the various options there, and it can really be surprisingly good beyond the adult content.
Maybe don't explore anything that's a full on ick, but I would second that, if there's something you're at least neutral on I'd recommend giving it another shot.
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I do appreciate the time and effort you put into the comment, but I am not arguing against what you are saying.
Since Kinsey &co and the summer of love, the movement didn't evaporate, it perforated society and mutated. I don't think I'd be going too far by stating, that the sexual revolution couldn't have happened without the suffragettes. I see the queer movement as a spearhead in the same direction.
I only had qualm with you saying anything has been undone (sorry if I'm paraphrasing). Yeah, using 'woke' as a pejorative for anyone craving progress is a thing now, but that doesn't mean most of us want nothing more than to love each other freely.
Mmm, I get what you mean. So often, I find myself in conversations (not ours but in general) that have certain presumptions that have been addressed by movements such as these that I feel like there's this gap in knowledge that shouldn't really exist but…
I think your point's a fair argument, though; I'd certainly prefer that, at the very least.
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He's the main love interest, not the protag, but have you seen Haunted by Femboy? A little on the silly side, but I enjoyed the demo.
I did see that but haven't gotten around to playing it
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Kinda, I'm actually polyamorous myself and most of my social circle still is. But I've heard of what you described. In my circles it's been a lot more women lead and queer though. I think a lot of people jumped in without breaking their mental monogamy as well. Polyamory can be difficult, and for a lot of people especially those who jump in without thinking or who began their relationship monogamous it can be a spectacular shitshow, much like many relationships where incompatible desires are present or where people go in without knowing how to do it well.
I once had a relationship that I think a lot of my ex's friends probably see as exactly like you described. We began monogamous, it was my first relationship and it was in the mid 10s, and within a year I realized monogamy wasn't for me. So we opened up, then did full poly, got engaged, and she realized she couldn't do poly. She pressured me into monogamy (I had been willing to call it quits) and I hated it. It was an ugly breakup that she likely blames on me pressuring her into polyamory. Funny enough a few months after the breakup when I wasn't looking for anything serious I met someone else who'd recently had a breakup over wanting to stay poly, and we're happily married with a clear mutual understanding that neither of us is open to closing the relationship.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well thanks for the interesting perspective and I'm very glad to hear it wasn't so one-sided everywhere, and that you've seen a lot more positives! Everything you said about causes of strife makes perfect sense to me and I would imagine those feature heavily for folks who try it out due to simple curiosity or pressure from a partner.
I would imagine, too, that sexual trends exhibit regionality and that they diffuse across regions over time and at uneven rates, much like any other cultural trend. Though of course a lot of cultural diffusion has gotten effectively instant thanks to tech - I remember "back in the day" you could travel from a (US) coast to the Midwest and find everyone basically 10-20 years behind cultural trends, from slang to hairstyles, to dress.
I wonder if relationships and dating and such, being a much slower process in general than changing styles of dress or speech, still have some of that interesting old-school slower diffusion, or more regional pockets anyway.
Anyway, enough baseless speculation from me - cheers and have a good one!
(Edit: I hope it didn't sound like I'm calling your chosen romantic style itself a trend - I would never, when I call polyamory a "trend" I am referring exclusively to folks who did behave exactly as if it were any other fad that came and went, just with way heavier consequences)
