Denmark launches $2 billion Arctic security plan, seeks EU unity on Greenland

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This reminds me of people who think Musk is going to ferry them to Mars in their lifetime. It's not physically possible. It condradicts nature, and its drowns out the actual opportunities we have.

I've even seen a few people on Lemmy talk about how various institutions like the CDC have failed them... Well, this is what we get for sidelining experts for influencers. Instead of just using these shower-thought fantasies to campaign, they're actually trying to pursue them...

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Each EU country should send 11 soldiers to Greenland, we can call them the EU 300. They will function as a tripwire, in case of an american invasion and it would show the EU commitment to the defense of the union.

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We went from no computers to computers in your toothbrush, from pong to Cyberpunk 2077 in what, less than 50 years?

People think if that can happen, we are just one ion booster or warp bubble invention away from interstellar travel. Surely that too can happen in less than 50 “as long as we stop limiting businesses ability to invest and grow and…” all those other things they’ve been told are holding us back.

And since the CDC has been muzzled and WHO departed from, guess we’ll see if we’re magically healthier without them.

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First, what the fuck, but second, how ready is NATO to turn on supposedly one of their own?

Turkey has been threatening to invade Greece since forever. Thats why both countries joined NATO together, at the same time(in 1952). And while there is some confidence regarding article 5, you cant have your country existence depend on "hope". Thats why recently Greece signed a separate defence agreement with France.

I keep getting told that the “magic Article 5 argument isn’t a guarantee of support. There are no requirements to go to war for an ally, just pre-emptive permission to join in. It’s still voluntary, and few are so stupid as to stand against the [Empire!] USA!” (Brackets mine).

All agreements between nations are "voluntary". You cant force a country to do anything, they are a sovereign state, ie they can do whatever they want. The article 5 has very strongly written language and it is one of the most "mandated" agreements you can have. But ultimately, it is about trust and belief in it.

Thats why Russia's plan is to erode the belief in article 5 though hybrid warfare(and trump, if you think trump is compromised). Let's say Russia goes and occupies 500sq meters of a baltic state. Would the US send 10 aircraft carriers and declare war on Russia? Maybe they will and then Russia would go "oups, my bad, didnt notice the map line". Or maybe they wont. But even the discussion over whether NATO allies would strongly react to such a development, would corrode belief in article 5.

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NATO will simply dissolve when a NATO member is the attacker.
Article 5 is triggered by a unanimous vote among all members. So the US could just veto it.

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And since the CDC has been muzzled and WHO departed from, guess we’ll see if we’re magically healthier without them.

That won't matter either.

There's very obvious evidence that some average American homesteading Greenland, or invading neighbors, is a Bad Idea, but that doesn't matter because its not penetrating people's reality bubbles filled with influencers incentivized to push this stuff for attention.

...So why would real health data matter either. Trump can just claim victory and claim everyone is healthier, and how would the average American know otherwise? Sure, maybe they're personally miserable, but the world as they know it is telling them their leader is fighting it.

What's especially troubling is that Trump is "drinking his on Kool-aid" in this situation. I don't want to say its unprecedented, but usually despotic regimes are more self aware that that.

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Article 5 is triggered by an unanimous vote, so the USA could just vote against it.

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Maybe this will be the reason Trump makes the US leave the NATO

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The EU has a harder defense clause than NATO Article 5

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Greenland is, for the time being, unless Greenland decides otherwise, EU territory. The EU's mutual defence clause is not voluntary, it's "obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in [the member state's] power". All the means, not just any. Only way to get out of that is to be a traditionally neutral country which, with Finland and Sweden aligned, now should only be Austria.

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Article 5 gets invoked by the attacked country ("hey someone is attacking us"), upon which members decide, individually, what to do about it. There's no vote.

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Darn, I have Gotland and Svalbard on mine. Well, there's still hope.

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Denmark launches $2 billion Arctic security plan, seeks EU unity on Greenland