Okay seriously this technology still baffles me.

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Because rulling class got high on the promise that they could finally eliminate workers as a cost and be independent from us.

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It's like how revolutionary battery technology is always just months away.

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And you could pay people to use an abacus instead of a calculator. But the advanced tech improves productivity for everyone, and helps their output.

If you don’t get the tech, you should play with it more.

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“Improves productivity for everyone”

Famously only one class benefits from productivity, while one generates the productivity. Can you explain what you mean, if you don’t mean capitalistic productivity?

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I’m referring to output for amount of work put in.

I’m a socialist. I care about increased output leading to increased comfort for the general public. That the gains are concentrated among the wealthy is not the fault of technology, but rather those who control it.

Thank god for DeepSeek.

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Monorail!!!

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I get the tech, and still agree with the preposter. I'd even go so far as that it probably worsens a lot currently, as it's generating a lot of bullshit that sounds great on the surface, but in reality is just regurgitated stuff that the AI has no clue of. For example I'm tired of reading AI generated text, when a hand written version would be much more precise and has some character at least...

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They don't want to get rid of workers because then there would be no consumers. No, they want to increase the downward pressure on wages so they can vacuum up further savings.

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It’s one thing to be ignorant. It’s quite another to be confidently so in the face of overwhelming evidence that you’re wrong. Impressive.

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Try getting a quick powershell script from Microsoft help or spiceworks. And then do the same on GPT

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I follow EV battery tech a little. You’re not wrong that there is a lot of “oh its just around the bend” in battery development and tech development in general. I blame marketing for 80% of that.

But battery technology is changing drastically. The giant cell phone market is pushing battery tech relentlessly. Add in EV and grid storage demand growth and the potential for some companies to land on top of a money printing machine is definitely there.

We’re in a golden age of battery research. Exciting for our future, but it will be a while before we consumers will have clear best options.

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They want you to owe your soul to the company store, to live hand-to-mouth by their largess.

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confidently so in the face of overwhelming evidence

That I'd really like to see. And I mean more than the marketing bullshit that AI companies are doing...

For the record I was one of the first jumping on the AI hype-train (as programmer, and computer-scientist with machine-learning background), following the development of GPT1-4, being excited about having to do less boilerplaty code etc. getting help about rough ideas etc. GPT4 was almost so far as being a help (similar with o1 etc. or Anthropics models). Though I seldom use AI currently (and I'm observing similar with other colleagues and people I know of) because it actually slows me down with my stuff or gives wrong ideas, having to argue, just to see it yet again saturating at a local-minimum (aka it doesn't get better, no matter what input I try). Just so that I have to do it myself... (which I should've done in the first place...).

Same is true for the image-generative side (i.e. first with GANs now with diffusion-based models).

I can get into more details about transformer/attention-based-models and its current plateau phase (i.e. more hardware doesn't actually make things significantly better, it gets exponentially more expensive to make things slightly better) if you really want...

I hope that we do a breakthrough of course, that a model actually really learns reasoning, but I fear that that will take time, and it might even mean that we need different type of hardware.

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Any other AI company, and most of that would be legitimate criticism of the overhype used to generate more funding. But how does any of that apply to DeepSeek, and the code & paper they released?

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What should I expect? (I don't do powershell, nor do I have a need for it)

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Why, if you automatize away (regardless of whether it's feasible or not) all the workers, what's stop them for cutting them out of the equation? Why can't they just trade assets between themselves, maintaining a small slave population that does machine maintenance for food and shelter and screwing the rest? Why do you think they still need us if they own both the means for the production as well as labor to produce? That would be a post-scarcity economy, available only for the wealthy and with the rest of us left to rot.

While I don't think that this is feasible technologically, I think this is what the rich are huffing currently. They want to be independent from us because they are threatened by us.

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DeepSeek

Yeah it'll be exciting to see where this goes, i.e. if it really develops into a useful tool, for certain. Though I'm slightly cautious non-the less. It's not doing something significantly different (i.e. it's still an LLM), it's just a lot cheaper/efficient to train, and open for everyone (which is great).

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I think the sentiment is the same with any code language.

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What’s this “if” nonsense? I loaded up a light model of it, and already have put it to work.

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Look at it in another way, people think this is the start of an actual AI revolution, as in full blown AGI or close to it or something very capable at least

I think the bigger threat of revolution (and counter-revolution) is that of open source software. For people that don't know anything about FOSS, they've been told for decades now that we need software is a tool you, need and that's only possible through the innovative and superhuman-like intelligent CEOs helping us with the opportunity to buy it.

If everyone finds out that they're actually the ones stifling progress and development, while manipulating markets to further enrich themselves and whatever other partners align with that goal. Not to mention defrauding the countless investors that thought they were holding rocket ship money that was actually snake oil.

All while another country did that collectively and just said, "here, it's free. You can even take the code and use it how you personally see fit, because if this thing really is that thing, it should be a tool anyone can access. Oh, and all you other companies, your code is garbage btw. Ours runs on a potato by comparison."

I'm just saying, the US has already shown they will go to extreme lengths to keep its citizens from thinking too hard about how its economic model is fucking them while the rich guys just move on to the next thing they'll sell us.

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Okay seriously this technology still baffles me.