Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

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Knowing my luck, I'd get 12 months for having my arm at an unfavourable angle while giving directions.

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I hope you're right but I'm less optimistic about courts.

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Then they become martyrs for their group.

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Remember that Hersant idiot from a few months back did the salute outside a courthouse.

He was found guilty, judge gave no fucks: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/vic-nazi-salute-jacob-hersant-court/104443118

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Sorry what rights don't Aboriginals have ?

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"Less obvious" means fewer recruits. I'm not sure why you think being less obvious is just as effective as being overt.

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“No charges to be laid over alleged Nazi salute made by officer at Victoria Police academy”

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104796744

Cops get to be a little Nazi as a treat.

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Don't import this "both sides" bullshit just because you see everyone saying that about the US.

Criticising governments is fine, but Albo's government is a polar opposite to LNP.

Any politician needs to function within our capitalist society. If you don't like that, have a revolution and return us all to agrarian communism. In the mean time the PM needs to keep corporate Australia ticking over. That said, there's a reason Labor has such deep ties to Australia's unions. Labor has very consistently improved wages and terms for employees, while LNP wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

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Judges could have biases of their own whether they realise it or not.

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"Recruits"? The concern isn't people joining something, it's them agreeing with the message. Less obvious approach already works just fine (probably even better than direct approach) all over the world in selling the message and the hate, so if you think this mandatory year of jail will have much of an effect on that, I have a few other "tough on crime" approaches to sell to you. Might even declare War on Hate in style of War on Drugs.

As usual, people want tough and immediate measures, forgetting about a longer term approach and working to tackle the causes of why this messaging sells so well.

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Yeah. There's not a lot of information there though. Who really knows what happened.

Maybe the police covered it up. Maybe it wasn't a Nazi salute.

This guy was pretty emphatic. I mean there was nothing about how she's a good officer or maybe a misunderstanding or whatever. That was a sincere and direct statement of position and intent to prosecute any offenders.

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Sorry... you think that averting people from joining Nazi groups is unimportant? You think they're more dangerous as individuals?

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I'm sorry but where in my reply did you get those ideas?

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You sound like those cops who tell victims of domestic violence that there's nothing they can do until lives are being threatened.

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The concern isn’t people joining something, it’s them agreeing with the message.

The concern is literally them joining something. One bigot alone has very little power.

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An Australian anti-fascist perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2KvtlLJyQ

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I'm not false equivocating in order to take the fight off of fascism, both things are true. My point is we don't fight fascism by allowing courts to make performative gestures outlawing performative gestures, its done by organizing against the worst tendencies of capital. By all means ban Nazi salutes it won't affect anyone I associate with, and if it did I would no longer.

Lots of people seem to think having a slight criticism is the same as trying to bad faith rhetorically muddy the waters to give space for fascism. But no, that's what liberalism does, consistently.

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The funny thing is that the Nuremberg Trials were based on retroactive laws. Nothing the Nazis did was technically illegal, so they were prosecuted on the basis that their actions were decided to be crimes after the fact.

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Well both can be true.

I did understand it was a joke but also yes I wish I could but there's laundry to do and a genocide to stop.

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Good. This needs to be worldwide. They need to reeducate the people as to

A: Why the Nazis were bad beyond 'they wanna kill people!' Their utter disgust of science and technology, and how their social policies were actively fucking over their own people in addition to others.
B: Just how incompetent the Nazis were, and were far from a hyperefficient machine.
Just how bad they were at science and despite their demonization, West Germany was never fully denazified and how many former Nazi officers returned to work as politicians and military officers.

There is a plethora of books written before and during WW2 that showcased just how evil the Nazis were and how fucked their society was. They also need a review of Mein Kampf and how Hitler dictated it. Exactly like how Trump dictated the Art of the Deal to a writer and did not write it himself.

My suggestion of one book written during the Nazi Era is Education for Death by Gregor Ziemer. The society it showed was really, REALLY fucked. How anyone could think this was a paradise is beyond me. Most modern fascists, with their donut bodies and chinless faces would be the types considered feeble and probably sterilized as a 'charity'.

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Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia