UK citizens say it is more important to support Ukraine than to maintain good relations with US, survey shows
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Not to mention that once Russia is done with Ukraine they're not going to stop. Defending Ukraine is defending Europe.
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as an american we want good government but it's the billionaire oligarchs who are ruining it
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We had that chance. We picked Biden instead. Now it's "find out" time.
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This account (that you responded to) was created a mere few hours ago. It might even have been created purely to troll people, possibly by someone who has gotten used to being banned using a recognizable account name.
On PieFed I find it very helpful to see an icon next to people's names indicating brand-new accounts. Some Lemmy apps can do that as well (I switched over to Voyager here to see if it would, but nope, at least not by default). Anyway I wanted to point out that it is a very useful feature, for exactly such scenarios as this!
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Agreed. And hopefully our man Kier can stop cosplaying long enough to follow through on more military support.
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Under these conditions what is NATO?
Already-preexisting integration of most EU armies (and the rest aren't completely out of the loop) as well as Canada Turkey, Norway, and Iceland.
The long and short of it is if the US should bail out of NATO what is left is an absolute behemoth of a force with severe shortcomings in power projection and strategic airlift capacity. The latter only until Ukraine is admitted they have Antonov. Not sure whether we want much power projection but the lift capacity is a shortfall. On the upside we have more than enough stealth subs to stop others from projecting with aircraft carriers.
From the US side, strategically, this is just a self-inflicted wound: There's a couple of US soldiers in Europe as part of tripwire forces, relevant politically but not in combat terms, the rest is there to project force into the middle east. They'd be giving that up, I wonder what Israel thinks of that. The US would not have been capable to do Iraq or Afghanistan without European bases.
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Half of the people who voted*
Trump got about the same number of votes this time as he did in the previous election (marginally less, I believe).
It makes little difference to point out, but it's good to remember that the Dems are a bunch of feckless corporate shills who lost the support of their voters, and about a third to half the country simply doesn't vote.
Trump is a symptom and the end result of deeply systemic and cultural issues here, and as an American, I hope you guys make it hurt. Maybe then we'll wake up to the problems here. I doubt it, but at least the economic collapse here will hopefully spare the rest of the world from a dementia patient with daddy Putin's leash on his collar swinging the biggest military budget in the world around like he's got something to compensate for.
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Exactly. If anyone thinks Russia will stop at Ukraine, they're a fool
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17hr account throwing around shit.
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He kinda is though. There aren't many presidents that run on a platform of gutting literally everything that can be gutted.
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As an American, yeah that’s the right choice.
It also needs to be said that you probably can’t remain on good terms with the US, given the current regime and their “negotiation tactics”.
We can only hope that in four years you let us earn your trust back
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And misinformation. That's how they get and hold power. Like what happened here in Ohio with the gerrymandering.
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Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for Trump. That’s what makes it even worse. 1/3 didn’t even fucking vote.
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it's up to whoever comes after trump to mend bridges with europe, it's a waste of diplomatic resources maintaining relations with trumps america
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Less than a day old account. Troll.
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Only because the people allow it.
I know nobody can change that alone, but USA need to friggin get some graasroot movements going to get real democracy, and elect politicians that don't prioritize only the 1%.
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You are right, the problem is very much a widespread attitude in USA.
They need to modernize their democracy, and they need to modernize their interpretation and regulation of what free speech is.
The 2 main reasons USA is as fucked up as it is now, is that the 2 party system undermines democracy, and way too much misinformation is allowed.
You can't build democracy on lies.I really really hope Americans will wake up soon, and realize this.
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Yes, but it can't wait 4 years, because in 4 years Trump may have transformed USA government to a totalitarian regime.
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I can't believe we're betraying Ukraine for no reason.
Oh wait... Actually I can believe it, i knew it was going to happen, and I voted against it.
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I’m an American immigrant in Germany, and I’ve come to realize that most Americans are very naive about government. The US has been very successful in the short time it’s been around as a country, and I don’t think most Americans really realize that it won’t always be like that. At the same time, the education system has been gradually but thoroughly gutted.
I hope we can wake up, but I worry we might need to see for ourselves before we can actually learn. I just hope the rest of the world doesn’t indulge us so long that we take everyone else with us.
