Apple Caved
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When the corporation controls the hardware and the OS it can easily break any encryption running there. Just include key loggers, break RNG entropy, extract keys from memory, or just capture any data before they are encrypted. Or just let the governments into the OS so they can do all that.
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to say"
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Pretty sure Apple has a few lawyers
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Wasn't it something more similar to "saying that you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say"?
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Apple can claim that they never built backdoor. But talk is cheap without showing the code for people to audit.
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Both of you to assume I’m having sex with them.
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They would say "that's different" without elaborating why exactly.
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And that helps how exactly?
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America does it anyways. Have you not heard from Snowden? Or Wikileaks?
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If your government wants to look, we want to look as well
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I think it's the right move by Apple.
I don't think it's the right move by my Government to be ordering this.
Like most governments, the UK's has a poor record on understanding technical standards (They're still trying to implement age-restriction on porn sites, something that's been ongoing for a decade) Backdoor or lack of encryption - both make data security impossible and make the lives of criminals a whole lot easier. We simply cannot have safe data this way.
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The UK government has you that way too - you are legally compelled to reveal any passcodes if ordered by a court, and you'll stay in prison until you do. (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000)
But it at least does remove them from third party exposure (phone company, their AI, massive breaches etc), you just have to be sure your own security is good.
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So what's Google doing? I assume they're impacted by the same regulation.
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Go all the way, remove ALL iPhone services from the UK saying the government will not allow users to have privacy. The government will go back on it within a week.
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Basically every phone manufacturer has its own layer on top of AOSP that is closed source so…
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Apple doea not allow other competing security and privacy features.
If apple was opening up, the gov couldn't do anything in the first place -
I doubt they would be allowed to hand out keys (which they do not hold) to another government that would compromise American businesses, agencies, etc.
Um, yes they would. The very point of eyes agreements is they allow countries intelligence agencies which aren't allowed to spy on their own people to spy on each other's people then pass each other the data. Snowden revealed this all a decade ago.
The CIA and FBI do not store classified sensitive info on iPhones that are backed up anywhere. At least not anything that would come as a surprise to the British or be a risk. Nothing they wouldn't have access to via the existing intelligence sharing.
The UK and the US are thick as thieves and have been since the end of WW2.
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They are not allowed to just share data from users in other countries where privacy laws exist. It depends a bit on how GDPR is written in the specific country you reside and it it is enough, but generally they should be asking for censent if they try and access it.
Sadly we won’t have any idea when they try and access it, but this is the exact reason why businesses in NL like accounting firms (not bookkeeping firms) need to have their data in datacenter in NL to precent morons like this to access your data.
Pretty sure either Google E2E is non existent or it is alreayd opened up for the UK government or it is being opened in the future. I wonder if Proton is going to need to comply with this.
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Yes that's it. Thanks for clarifying
