Proton has stopped using their Mastodon account
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I agree this is an issue. They move away from a privacy oriented community. Additionally, the reason they give is vague and easily dismantled.
What I'm interested in is why this would be a good enough reason to switch providers. They haven't changed anything crucial in their mail offering, so why should I switch? -
They still offer free services, though.
It makes sense to if they want their encrypted email magic to be useful. A paid user can instruct a contact to make a free proton mail account in order to have secure communication with them
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Payed for by subscriptions. Protons free offerings (namely, the VPN) are severely crippled. The free tier VPN is almost trial like to sell you on the full product. I also haven't seen any of those youtuber sponsored -95% off deals other VPN providers have. Proton's pricing isn't exactly cheap which signals they do sell it at actual market rate instead of offering a cheap service which may or may not be subsidized by selling your data.
Nah, fair. Just based on the way Venezuelans described it to me, it seemed ubiquitous on the free end. I'm probably biased. I have no idea what their consumer demographics are, especially outside of the US.
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No. They're a non profit with a specific mission to further the enhancement of provacy. Under Swiss law they're legally obligated to adhere to this. Which means they can't collect user data willy nilly and sell it.
Also, it wouldn't make sense for a non-profit organization to profit from selling user data.
I worked for multiple non-profits that made a profit. That's not how this works. It's not the function, it's the cost.
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how come?
It's a good alternative & there are other services bundled-in with it
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I agree this is an issue. They move away from a privacy oriented community. Additionally, the reason they give is vague and easily dismantled.
What I'm interested in is why this would be a good enough reason to switch providers. They haven't changed anything crucial in their mail offering, so why should I switch?kinda wierd for proton to promote on reddit, when reddit doesnt allow VPN usage to most users, mostly for spam/botting/ban evasions.
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Do they really need a team of people to post the same thing to X, Mastodon, BkueSky, etc? I'm honestly surprised they don't have some bot to make all the posts for them to those services. Sounds like a cop out to me.
i heard they stopped posting on bluesky weeks ago, not surprised they are active on meta platforms, and X.
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Such delicate snowflakes these ceos…
on reddit they can pursue sitewide bans more easily on users, since reddit had started doing this month. its to silence all criticism against them, im betting facebook will be thier next stop.
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I worked for multiple non-profits that made a profit. That's not how this works. It's not the function, it's the cost.
The bottom line is that Proton does not collect your data to sell it for profit.
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Yeah, all the scumbags who use this just for advertising only tried mastodon to see if it would have a significant amount of useful idiots.
like i was following a bunch yotubers one time, and i heard over the pandemic they fled to facebook, because they were crying the sub was making them look bad, they are on facebook specifically so they can do what reddit mods can do, ban people, block them from thier discussions, delete criticism comments.( they had thier followers, and the employees systemically attack one of subs about them and taken it down, the current one they couldnt do it, so now they are trolling it)
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Mastodon has that too, so Wonder why leave Mastodon at all
reddit allows you more ability to censor people permanently from the site, in the form of sitewide bans and automatic removals and such.
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I’d say this move seems too dumb even for fiction, if that wasn’t the SOP for the entire country I live in.
Given the context though, I’m curious if one of you privacy experts can change my mind on how I approach email.
I don’t use email for any meaningful communication where I expect privacy. It is essentially the way for companies and a few other organizations to send me low priority information and/or confirm my identity to reset a password or whatever. Because of that, the only attributes of an email service I really care about are reliability and availability, including not having emails silently blocked for not coming from a “trusted” provider.
So what is the practical risk of just using a Gmail address for that stuff, equivalent to hiding in plain sight? Yeah it helps Google fine tune their advertising model for me, while I’m running Linux on all my machines and blocking ads on any device I touch. My social media is Lemmy and my streaming service is Jellyfin.
Am I risking too much if I use it as the corporate contact point that it is? Am I just letting my white/straight/cis/male privilege show through?
I mean yeah I think the main problem is just Google having all that data about you and potentially selling it to others whether that be for advertising, robocalling, or other things. So it really just comes down to how comfortable you are allowing Google to be able to use your emails and communications from corporations to see what things you like. Only time it really matters more is if you are using email for more personal or secure communications which yeah I would always prefer using better encrypted more messaging focused apps like signal for or just talking in person when possible.
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reddit allows you more ability to censor people permanently from the site, in the form of sitewide bans and automatic removals and such.
Good to know, thank you
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I've committed a bunch of relatives and myself to a year of the Family plan, and now most of us want to leave.. What a mess.
Wait, you bought/gave money to Proton so early in its life? Why do people keep falling for these over and over.
If a 'can run on low resources sustainably' is legit, going to have test and wait for it to see first.
Otherwise we need to accept what we can and can't have based on what is possible without being greedy and at someone else's expense.
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Do you have any recommendations for someone who just uses them for email?
Tutanota has been pretty decent to me, though their android client is sometimes a little rough around the edges. Though never in a way that's caused problems for me or impaired usage, and it has a pretty enough interface.
They have a free plan if you're broke as shit like I am and are looking to switch from a free proton plan
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Three years ago I made an issue on their feedback page because the android app doesn't really work on degoogled phones, it requires gms for notifications. Still not fixed.
Nice privacy focused App that can't fully be used if you take privacy seriously.
FYI i use a degoogled FP3 with microG and I don't have any problemi.
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One wonders why the rest of the Proton Foundation hasn't stepped in and gotten rid of Andy; I assume it's just because they don't actually care about privacy, they're just cryptonerds.
I suggest you give a read to "Privacy is power" by Carissa Veliz (on the board). She also gave a very good interview on the podcast "firewalls don't stop dragons".
I also don't think "cryptonerds" applies to people like Tim Berners Lee.
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Mastodon has that too, so Wonder why leave Mastodon at all
But people still can see the other messages. Instead a censored post on Reddit or Instagram is invisible
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Good to know, thank you
i came here from reddit because of such a ban, apparently if you report someone too much you can get banned, or if you report and the mod doesnt like it you can recieve a sub ban, or even sitewide temp or permaban, and alot of the mods have admins ears, so you can get banned more easily. thats why proton wants to go to reddit, they just remove all negative comments, and ban people. and reddits ban feature is very intense(any attempt an evasion is pretty difficult nowawadays)
