Macron: Russia has once again demonstrated it doesn’t actually share desire for peace

[Guest]

And what is Russia doing in Africa then?

Wagner in Africa

Whataboutism at it's finest.

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

did i say anything about russia?

[Guest]

What is the post talking about Russia or France?

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

its literally about what the french president thinks.

[nyctre@lemmy.world]

You. You're trying to change the subject from russia to France in order to defend an imperialistic country. Which is what you often do. You're in like every other thread that's criticizing russia or china

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

please point me to where i defended russia in this thread?

[uruanna@lemmy.world]

You're not getting it. Macron does in fact control the legislation.

Sure it's not what the president is supposed to do, there's a prime minister and speaker for that to decide what laws will be voted on in what calendar. Except when Macron forces his pick on both (and straight up ignores when a new national vote says the left wing opposition gets to name the prime minister), forces the voting calendar, forces passing his laws by skipping a vote he knows will fail, etc.

So yes, Macron does do all the things you say the president doesn't do. And that's why people are mad at him.

[Guest]

I'm glad you asked!

Defending China saying that allegations of Genocide are just lies

Defending Russia's ludacris negotiation demands

Defending North Korea

Stalin wasn't that bad of a guy

Standard ableism about Soviet Russia

I could keep going all day. You don't strike me as a bad type but I cannot allow utter rubbish to be thrown around like that.

The world is not as simple as US/West bad Russia/China good or vice versa. There is a significant amount of nuance that you need to find here.

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

so you just pulled threads from months ago....

[goodeye8@lemm.ee]

Yeah. You don't need to look far (to lemmy.ml) to find people who argue that Russia is perfectly justified in not respecting the ceasefire. Clearly we won't be changing the mind of those people because to them anything Ukraine related (from the west) is 100% propaganda which means Macron stating the obvious is also just "propaganda" to them. But for people who aren't keeping up with the news it's useful to remind them that the world doesn't believe the tankie sauce certain people seem to think is the truth.

[nyctre@lemmy.world]

Well, in this thread, as it's been already pointed out, you've engaged in whataboutism to change the subject from russia to France. It's only a small step above a kid's "NO YOU!" level of argumentation.

Is France's imperialistic history deplorable? Yes. But by the end of the year they will have pulled out from all but 2 countries with which they had defense agreements, as opposed to russia which is increasing presence in the same countries, in addition to the countries in which it already had a presence. So it's actually russia that has potentially more troops in Africa, but I can't find actual numbers to confirm since it's in russia's best interest not to declare those.

So yeah, how can you compare a country that leaves when it's uninvited to russia which is actively shelling a sovereign nation on top of doing the same shit in Africa as all the other imperialists?

[nuko147@lemm.ee]

Now that they own USA ? They go for maximum profit.

[nuko147@lemm.ee]

Man he is only making business. The current goal now is the rearming Europe as huge and as fast is possible. Russia making peace can slowdown that. I don't say that he is wrong, but he is just a businessman (France is i think in the world top 3 of weapons selling). Also he fucked Frances democracy, and he kept the colonialism attitude of France in other continents.

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

i didnt change subjects, i pointed out the hypocrisy. i have been firm on this goalpost the entire thread.

france is STILL imposing the CFAF on what, maybe a dozen african countries right now? this is blatant 19-century style colonialism still. how do you think the french power their squeaky-clean, super-progressive nuclear reactors when their last mine was closed in the early 2000s? where do they get the raw materials to be an industrial superpower?

this goes SO much deeper than just the preparations for ww3. if you think russians are worse, i should go back a few comments in this thread and urge you to ask french-speaking africans about it yet again. ask them why some revolted recently and why western media is saying NOTHING about it.

i'm actually enjoying the conversation but ill have to leave, so have a nice day.

[el_bhm@lemm.ee]

Afrikans. You don't even want to name exact countries where russia and France clash politically and economically.

Because it would open up discussion of russia being as imperialistic NOW as France was half a decade ago.

And oh, they are arming the opposition. What USA has been doing in countries they want resources denied or exploited.

You know. Imperialistic shit.

Fucking Afrikans. Mr socialist.

[jakule17@lemmy.world]

Hence “once again” in the title

[Guest]

It is really time for Europe to come together and put and end to Russia and liberate the people wgo they can enjoy the prosperity that the rest of Europe offers. Will it be WW3? Yes. With the condition of the Russian military it will not be for long.

[prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Respect ≠ "role model"

Try again.

[prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

What the French president thinks about... Go ahead honey, you can do it. Finish the sentence.

[goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

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