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Macron: Russia has once again demonstrated it doesn’t actually share desire for peace

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  • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

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    I'm glad you asked!

    Defending China saying that allegations of Genocide are just lies

    Defending Russia's ludacris negotiation demands

    Defending North Korea

    Stalin wasn't that bad of a guy

    Standard ableism about Soviet Russia

    I could keep going all day. You don't strike me as a bad type but I cannot allow utter rubbish to be thrown around like that.

    The world is not as simple as US/West bad Russia/China good or vice versa. There is a significant amount of nuance that you need to find here.

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      I'm glad you asked!

      Defending China saying that allegations of Genocide are just lies

      Defending Russia's ludacris negotiation demands

      Defending North Korea

      Stalin wasn't that bad of a guy

      Standard ableism about Soviet Russia

      I could keep going all day. You don't strike me as a bad type but I cannot allow utter rubbish to be thrown around like that.

      The world is not as simple as US/West bad Russia/China good or vice versa. There is a significant amount of nuance that you need to find here.

      umbrella@lemmy.mlU This user is from outside of this forum
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        It still needs repeating to counter propaganda from Russia and Russia's western supporters. If you leave propaganda unchecked, worse things tend to happen.

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        Yeah. You don't need to look far (to lemmy.ml) to find people who argue that Russia is perfectly justified in not respecting the ceasefire. Clearly we won't be changing the mind of those people because to them anything Ukraine related (from the west) is 100% propaganda which means Macron stating the obvious is also just "propaganda" to them. But for people who aren't keeping up with the news it's useful to remind them that the world doesn't believe the tankie sauce certain people seem to think is the truth.

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        • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

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          Well, in this thread, as it's been already pointed out, you've engaged in whataboutism to change the subject from russia to France. It's only a small step above a kid's "NO YOU!" level of argumentation.

          Is France's imperialistic history deplorable? Yes. But by the end of the year they will have pulled out from all but 2 countries with which they had defense agreements, as opposed to russia which is increasing presence in the same countries, in addition to the countries in which it already had a presence. So it's actually russia that has potentially more troops in Africa, but I can't find actual numbers to confirm since it's in russia's best interest not to declare those.

          So yeah, how can you compare a country that leaves when it's uninvited to russia which is actively shelling a sovereign nation on top of doing the same shit in Africa as all the other imperialists?

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            Now that they own USA ? They go for maximum profit.

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              Man, I know people dislike Macron, and I still think his handling of the Le Penn situation last year was a dramatic misplay, but I've always had a huge amount of respect for him. Maybe because I don't live in France (although I was almost accepted into a job there earlier this year!), but he seems like such a role model in terms of political leadership. He's been handling the Trump/Putin situation much better than most other world leaders, in my opinion

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              Man he is only making business. The current goal now is the rearming Europe as huge and as fast is possible. Russia making peace can slowdown that. I don't say that he is wrong, but he is just a businessman (France is i think in the world top 3 of weapons selling). Also he fucked Frances democracy, and he kept the colonialism attitude of France in other continents.

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                Well, in this thread, as it's been already pointed out, you've engaged in whataboutism to change the subject from russia to France. It's only a small step above a kid's "NO YOU!" level of argumentation.

                Is France's imperialistic history deplorable? Yes. But by the end of the year they will have pulled out from all but 2 countries with which they had defense agreements, as opposed to russia which is increasing presence in the same countries, in addition to the countries in which it already had a presence. So it's actually russia that has potentially more troops in Africa, but I can't find actual numbers to confirm since it's in russia's best interest not to declare those.

                So yeah, how can you compare a country that leaves when it's uninvited to russia which is actively shelling a sovereign nation on top of doing the same shit in Africa as all the other imperialists?

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                • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

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                  Afrikans. You don't even want to name exact countries where russia and France clash politically and economically.

                  Because it would open up discussion of russia being as imperialistic NOW as France was half a decade ago.

                  And oh, they are arming the opposition. What USA has been doing in countries they want resources denied or exploited.

                  You know. Imperialistic shit.

                  Fucking Afrikans. Mr socialist.

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                    Russia has demonstrated it doesn't actually desire peace so many times by now that it's a bit pointless to mention it, really.

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                    Hence “once again” in the title

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                      It is really time for Europe to come together and put and end to Russia and liberate the people wgo they can enjoy the prosperity that the rest of Europe offers. Will it be WW3? Yes. With the condition of the Russian military it will not be for long.

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                        but I’ve always had a huge amount of respect for him.

                        You have really weird role models:

                        https://tuta.com/blog/france-surveillance-nacrotrafic-law

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_security_law

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoYFjryuFjs

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                        Respect ≠ "role model"

                        Try again.

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                          What the French president thinks about... Go ahead honey, you can do it. Finish the sentence.

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                          • thefrirish@jlai.luT [email protected]

                            I'm glad you asked!

                            Defending China saying that allegations of Genocide are just lies

                            Defending Russia's ludacris negotiation demands

                            Defending North Korea

                            Stalin wasn't that bad of a guy

                            Standard ableism about Soviet Russia

                            I could keep going all day. You don't strike me as a bad type but I cannot allow utter rubbish to be thrown around like that.

                            The world is not as simple as US/West bad Russia/China good or vice versa. There is a significant amount of nuance that you need to find here.

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                              It is really time for Europe to come together and put and end to Russia and liberate the people wgo they can enjoy the prosperity that the rest of Europe offers. Will it be WW3? Yes. With the condition of the Russian military it will not be for long.

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                              Condition of Europe is not really good.

                              The UK practically sent their entire stockpile of SPGs to Ukraine thus have gutted their military to nil and Poland thrown half of their stockpile of SPGs to Ukraine for example. Russia is producing more artillery shells than the entirety of Europe combined according to pro-Ukraine sources. Almost every European country has complained about massive shortages of ammunition due to it all being given to Ukraine. France stated they could only fight Russia for a few weeks before running out of ammo. Other European countries have stated similar things.

                              Europe can’t even produce their own ballistic missiles which have been a game changer in Ukraine as shown by the effectiveness of ATACMS and Iskander-M. And Russia has been massively out producing Europe in terms of air-launched cruise missiles so don’t bring up Storm Shadow (Kh-101 is longer range than Storm Shadow anyways) or other similar weapon systems.

                              Russia produced more T-90Ms (a very good tank mind you) last year than the amount of tanks the entire German military has. Production was 20-30 per month last year but this has likely since doubled. Losses for T-90Ms have been low as per Oryx with production massively outpacing losses (one to two months of production last year was enough to replace yearly T-90M losses).

                              Even T-72B3 has a superior fire control system than the forty year old system used on the Leopard 2A6.

                              Most of Russian Armed Forces aren’t even in Ukraine, majority of forces in Ukraine are from irregular volunteer formations recruited from regions across Russia.

                              Hence why casualties amongst Russian professionals are low:

                              (tad old numbers from like weeks ago)

                              Motorized Rifles: 6,457

                              VDV: 3,257

                              Naval Infantry: 1,305

                              Tank Crew: 1,806

                              Artillery: 851

                              Special Forces: 736

                              Engineering: 291

                              Navy: 291

                              VVS: 265

                              Other: 957

                              Total: 16,216

                              Source: MediaZona

                              For comparison:

                              US losses from 2003-2005 mainly against insurgents: 5175

                              Source: Defense Casualty Analysis System

                              Instead of Europe easily conquering Russia, a Russian victory would be a more likely outcome

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