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Germany decides to leave history in the past and prepare for war

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  • K [email protected]

    They're spending billions on military pensions alone. Doesn't do anything for their military capability. They've been chronically underspending for decades and it has deteriorated their capabilities. And it's understandble, times have been good and USA was a good strong partner. Things have unfortunately changed. What they need money now is modernization, new purchases, development, all sorts of things to actually make the military a respectable defence force.

    You don't fight a war with receipts.

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    Who are you supposed to fight a war to begin with?

    Germany is not the only country in the world spending money on military pensions.

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      I'm not sure it would. The Nazi economy was supported by plunder, they had to keep attacking to fund it. They couldn't get to Britain or America, and they had otherwise more or less run out of Europe.

      I don't want to imagine the kind of atrocities they could have committed in the time that it would take for them to collapse, but I do think the collapse would have come

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      thank you for that idea, that kinda calms me down a bit (actually a lot more than just a bit) šŸ˜„

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      • lordwiggle@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

        Right... As if incarceration didn't increase during dems terms. As if there weren't crimes against humanity in prisons and detention centers thanks to dems.

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        Its been increasing no matter who has been in office as long as I have been alive. Its never gone down. So your point to me is meaningless.

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        • lordwiggle@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

          Check, no Adolf Musk as bundeskanzler

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          Trump did so much blow that his asshole fell off.

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            They're literally supporting genocide.

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            you know that article is dated September 28th 2023, right?

            now, I'm not saying Israel doesnt have a history of acting like bastards, but that's just a wee bit before they started ethnically cleansing the Gaza strip.

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            • B [email protected]

              None of this would have been necessary if it wasn’t for republicans.

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              If only American OPSEC was clean.

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                Germany, Italy, and Japan go to war against Russia and the US. Only this time the former group is the Good Guys.

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                Italy has a grotesque far right wave RN, they are not the good guys still. Japan is not progressive enough compared to Germany, but I can believe Germany is far removed from being as much as a bad guy compared to the USA & Russia today.

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                  Italy has a grotesque far right wave RN, they are not the good guys still. Japan is not progressive enough compared to Germany, but I can believe Germany is far removed from being as much as a bad guy compared to the USA & Russia today.

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                  Japan has never really reckoned with its past. They were just pacified.

                  I judge the country as a whole for this, since they keep electing politicians who continue to do very little to reckon with their past.

                  I feel a lot could be gained by apologising to the people and nations for the past, and nothing lost, other than nationalistic pride, bring forced into self reflection, and being genuinely sorry on behalf of the country.

                  People who think they shouldn't apologise because it wasn't them personally are stupid, frankly, and standing in the way of reducing tensions.

                  Will it fix everything in the region? No. Will it take some of the steam out of the war machine? Probably.

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                    Italy has a grotesque far right wave RN, they are not the good guys still. Japan is not progressive enough compared to Germany, but I can believe Germany is far removed from being as much as a bad guy compared to the USA & Russia today.

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                    They are not Registered Nurses.

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                    • I [email protected]

                      Who are you supposed to fight a war to begin with?

                      Germany is not the only country in the world spending money on military pensions.

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                      Gee I wonder who might be the threat here.

                      Germany is not the only country in the world spending money on military pensions.

                      No but if they are spending a lot of money on it, by your logic they must have a a very capable military.

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                        Italy has a grotesque far right wave RN, they are not the good guys still. Japan is not progressive enough compared to Germany, but I can believe Germany is far removed from being as much as a bad guy compared to the USA & Russia today.

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                        I do not want the Italians and Hungarians on my flanks.

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                        • misterfrog@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          Japan has never really reckoned with its past. They were just pacified.

                          I judge the country as a whole for this, since they keep electing politicians who continue to do very little to reckon with their past.

                          I feel a lot could be gained by apologising to the people and nations for the past, and nothing lost, other than nationalistic pride, bring forced into self reflection, and being genuinely sorry on behalf of the country.

                          People who think they shouldn't apologise because it wasn't them personally are stupid, frankly, and standing in the way of reducing tensions.

                          Will it fix everything in the region? No. Will it take some of the steam out of the war machine? Probably.

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                          Is that why Japan is the only WW II participant who has not fired a shot in anger since August 1945? Japan learned, the rest of you fucks failed miserably and continue to do so.

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                          • lordwiggle@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                            It feels a bit weird being on the German side for once, also their track record of succeeding isn't that great, but I love our neighbors and I fully support them.

                            I'm just, sad the world is falling into another world war while we also just could be more kind and forgiving towards each other. It would save a lot of lives and leads of pain and agony.

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                            We are not the same Germany, with exception to the Prussian military discipline that is buried deep within us. Thanks to morons in DC and Moscow, they are forcing to break the pacifistic dam that we were force to build post WW II.

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                              Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

                              The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

                              "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

                              "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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                              What choice do we have? I would focus on improving everything for the regulars and copy the Finnish reserve system.

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                                Is that why Japan is the only WW II participant who has not fired a shot in anger since August 1945? Japan learned, the rest of you fucks failed miserably and continue to do so.

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                                Oh don't get me wrong. The strong adherence to pacifism is laudable. But they have not reckoned with their atrocities committed during and prior world war II. They practically deny them ever happening.

                                Your whataboutism is not appreciated.

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                                  USAmerica has made shit loads off war.

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                                  And the rest of the world had to pay for it.

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                                    Its been increasing no matter who has been in office as long as I have been alive. Its never gone down. So your point to me is meaningless.

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                                    It actually went down during Trumps first term. That fucking idiot even failed in the thing he wanted most.

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                                      I mean the track record is pretty good as long as you don't just stop at the 20th century.

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                                      There were no world wars pre 20th century. But yeah, Germany, Prussia and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation were pretty successful pre 20th century.

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        Sad to read that people are ok with this.

                                        Stop contributing to rich people bullshit and step out of the system. Every other move will get us all killed.

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                                        That suggests you have an alternative, care sharing?

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                                        • omegalemmy@discuss.onlineO [email protected]

                                          That suggests you have an alternative, care sharing?

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                                          Yes. Dying for peace is way better than dying for war. Also stop buying shit, stop paying taxes, build and support alternative networks. Educate yourself and especially the young people around you. Stop building walls, start building bridges. The system only "works" because we believe it does.

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