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  • N [email protected]

    I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

    I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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    I use testing, prod and stale. Stale is simply one version behind prod in case I see something in prod I need to roll back

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    • N [email protected]

      I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

      I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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      #8

      I don't have a testing environment, but essentially all my services are on docker saving their data in a directory mounted on the local filesystem. The dockerfile reads the sha version of the image from an env file. I have a shell script which:

      1. Triggers a new btrfs snapshot of the volume containing everyithing
      2. Pulls the new docker images and stores their hashes in the env file
      3. Restarts all the containers.

      if a new Docker version is broken rolling back is as simple as copying the old version in the env file and recreating the container. If data gets corrupted I can just copy the last working status from an old snaphot.

      The whole os is on a btrfs volume which is snapshotted regularly, so ideally if an update fucks it up beyond recovery I can always boot from a rescue image and restore an old snapshot. But I honestly feel this is extra precaution: in years that I run debian on all my computers, it never reached the point of being not bootable.

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      • N [email protected]

        I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

        I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

        themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.worksT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #9

        My latest project runs on a VM I use vscode's ssh editing feature on. I edit the only copy of the file in existence (I have made no backup and there is no version control) and then I restart the systems service.

        So what if I mess it up? Big deal. The discord bot goes down for a few minutes and I fix it.

        Same goes for the machine configs. Ideally the machines are stable, the critical ones get backups, and if they aren't stable then I suppose the best way to fix it would be in prod ( my VMs run debian, they're stable).

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        • N [email protected]

          I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

          I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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          I manage all my homelab infra stuff via ansible and run services via kubenetes. All the ansible playbooks are in git, so I can roll back if I screw something up, and I test it on a sacrificial VM first when I can. Running services in kubenetes means I can spin up new instances and test them before putting them live.

          Working like that makes it all a lot more relaxing as I can be confident in my changes, and back them out if I still get it wrong.

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          • N [email protected]

            I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

            I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

            ambitiousslab@lemmy.mlA This user is from outside of this forum
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            For services only I depend on, I have production-only. Since I can only inflict damage on myself, and can often work around problems.

            For the XMPP server my friends and family also depend on, I have a dedicated nonprod VPS. My services are driven by ansible playbooks, so I'll tweak the playbook with whatever change I want to make works in nonprod, before running the same playbook against prod.

            Whenever there's a new Debian Stable release, I'll rebuild the servers completely, to try and prevent "drift" between the nonprod and prod versions (not that I change things often enough for this to become a big problem). This is also the big test of my backups, which so far haven't been needed in a "real" emergency 🤞

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            • N [email protected]

              I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

              I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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              #12

              Eh, I sometimes spin up a temporary docker container for some nonsense on a separate computer. I usually just go for it after checking no one is on and backing up necessary data.

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              • N [email protected]

                I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

                I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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                In my case, yes. My setup is managed using Ansible playbooks, so I have a dev inventory and a playbook that spins up a virtualized environment that mimics (as much as possible, as there are a few details that cannot be fully replicated) my home lab.

                That way, I usually prepare my new setups on dev, and then deploy on my pro setup and test with the few aspects I cannot reproduce in dev.

                Finally, I have everything backed by a (private) git repo.

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                • N [email protected]

                  I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

                  I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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                  #14

                  After breaking "prod" many times, I have a Dev (local machine), Test (small VM) and Prod (big VM). My test is just less RAM and space and I need to spin down certain K8s things to spin up others, but it's a close mirror of Prod, just less.

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                  • N [email protected]

                    I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

                    I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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                    #15

                    I test stuff on my laptop or desktop and then push it to my NAS. Everything is also containerized and snapshotted, so risk of breaking anything is pretty small.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      I've been slowly moving along in this self-hosting journey and now have a number of services that I regularly use and depend on. Of course I'm backing things up, but I also still worry about screwing up my server and having to rollback/rebuild/fix whatever got messed up.

                      I'm just curious, for those of you with home labs, do you use a testing environment of some kind that you use, or do you just push whatever your working on straight to "production"?

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                      #16

                      In my job? Yes.

                      At home? God no.

                      I make sure I can recover data when things go wrong, but otherwise my recovery path is redeploying quickly.

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