How can progressive "European patriots" protect Europe from the right-populists who want to destroy Europe as we know it?
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The gist is that you shouldn’t try to argue with them, they don’t care about reality.
That may be true on a face to face level. In public, like on social media, it's essential to keep arguing. Not to convince the person you're arguing with, but to show other people reading that theirs is not the only perspective, nor is it the majority.
While you're right, it's incredibly frustrating when it's near-impossible to convince onlookers on how the fascists operate on complete bad faith and we really should just not give them any time of day at all and ban them
I've had great difficulties in convincing people to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, leading to the fascists further exploiting it for their own gain
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That's the laziest take imaginable with how much it's publicly known that foreign, hostile nations use bot farms (now with AI) and literal armies of trolls to foment anger and polarization online.
Aight, why do you think half the country voted for trump. What were their reasons
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Capital can’t flee. The money is all bound in assets. How you gonna move the houses out of Europe?
China doesn’t allow me to own 100M USD worth of assets and live abroad without paying any tax. Why do we?
You do pay taxes in the EU if you own assets in the EU.
China taxes quite a lot less than the EU I'm sure. Otherwise nobody would have built their factories there.
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Hahahaha, 'the left was mean to the right in the US and now Trump is very angry
, lets not do the same and directly give them power in Europe 🥰'I for too think the problem of US is there is too many Marxist Leninist in it... Damn Marxist Leninist they ruined it
The thing you should take from this, is that when you keep antagonising people, they will hate you.
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I agree with you a 100% on the wealth issue. Though the number of migrants from the middle east is and will be more problematic for a small country like Austria.
Therefore you need to tackle both problems at once. I'm tired of people ignoring the fact. No country wants to become Libanon 2.0.
Yeah no fuck off
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We pay for using that capital. We pay rent, we pay for groceries, we pay for gas. Everytime we pay something, somebody makes money. Tax them.
Why would they invest in your apartment if they have to pay taxes on it? Unless they can charge the tax to you as well.
You're going to need the public to build your apartment. And sadly, in Singapore where this is the case, rent is ridiculously high.
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The thing you should take from this, is that when you keep antagonising people, they will hate you.
I have no problem with people hating me, there's some people I hate. if you expect everyone to love you in live you're kind of naive or have no opinion whatsoever
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There's a lot of people, at least online, that do not want to engage with the other.
For right wingers it's "lazy/snobby".
For left wingers it's "fascist/nazi/supremacist".
Those ad hominems derail the argumentation and worsen communication.
i'm not talking about the politicians, but the voters.
With social media it has been enlarged. Everyone goes to their own bubble and when someone shares a wrong thought, then that person gets removed from the bubble.
Sorry what..? The US is quite literally taken over by fascists and fascist ideas and you claim that the biggest issue is that someone calls that out?
Also, your original claim was this:
Their left wing tries to dehumanise their right wing.
Seems like you moved the goal post. Calling someone fascist is not dehumanizing, especially when they actually support fascist ideas.
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100% unconditional intolerance for fascists. You can’t give them a millimeter or they’ll take the entire country.
I suggest watching Thought Slime’s recent video if you wish to know how to effectively counteract fascists.
The gist is that you shouldn’t try to argue with them, they don’t care about reality. Don’t let them look reasonable by arguing as if they were, insist on pointing out they’re being assholes (which they are) and that anything they suggest is so obviously wrong it doesn’t even need to be explained why it’s wrong (which is true).
This is quite literally the opposite of how you actually get people to support your cause. Ask any psychologist.
Shutting them out completely might work fine when they're a tiny minority, but when in some cases a quarter of the population agrees with them enough to vote for them, doing that is simply impossible. They will have reach.
I also still think we need people throwing their morals about manipulating people to the wind and starting to peddle left wing conspiracy theories just like the right wingers are doing. For example with how perfectly it fits there really should be an actual movement behind the whole trump=the biblical antichrist thing in the US, but I've only seen it as satire in spaces that are already left wing.
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Sorry what..? The US is quite literally taken over by fascists and fascist ideas and you claim that the biggest issue is that someone calls that out?
Also, your original claim was this:
Their left wing tries to dehumanise their right wing.
Seems like you moved the goal post. Calling someone fascist is not dehumanizing, especially when they actually support fascist ideas.
So 50% of USA are fascists/nazi/...
Must be weird walking on the street then
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I have no problem with people hating me, there's some people I hate. if you expect everyone to love you in live you're kind of naive or have no opinion whatsoever
That's polarisation, buddy
The opposite of trying to communicate.
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Facotries, houses and even companies can not be easily moved. Even something like a bank needs employees, with certain skills and those have value. You usually can not just move those to another country, unless something really drastic happens.
The other part is to organize. Something like the minimum company tax is a really good starting point. Most large countries have relativly high taxes anyway. The only reason tax heavens work is, because they have a tiny population and the few hundret jobs created by the paperwork are enough to support them. They could easily be bullied into having normal taxes.
Also keep in mind the EU has 1/5 of the global economy by itself.
USA has 6,5% tax on capital EU 20%.
We attract capital because we offer stability.
Taxing the shit out of their made investments does not offer stability. They'd stop putting in new investments.
We'd have decay.
USA is the capital of the world when it comes to capitalism. A world ETF market weighted gives you 60% USA. That's massive.
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Sorry what..? The US is quite literally taken over by fascists and fascist ideas and you claim that the biggest issue is that someone calls that out?
Also, your original claim was this:
Their left wing tries to dehumanise their right wing.
Seems like you moved the goal post. Calling someone fascist is not dehumanizing, especially when they actually support fascist ideas.
He also blatantly disregarded data I linked that disproves his point.
He is not arguing in good faith, at all.
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100% unconditional intolerance for fascists. You can’t give them a millimeter or they’ll take the entire country.
I suggest watching Thought Slime’s recent video if you wish to know how to effectively counteract fascists.
The gist is that you shouldn’t try to argue with them, they don’t care about reality. Don’t let them look reasonable by arguing as if they were, insist on pointing out they’re being assholes (which they are) and that anything they suggest is so obviously wrong it doesn’t even need to be explained why it’s wrong (which is true).
I have a rule: I don't pronounce the word fascist (in private or in public, I don't care) without prefixing it with "lurid" in English and in Italian appending "di merda" after fascista/i.
As someone who had nightmares at night about them, given the testimony of my grandmother, I feel that not qualifying fascist people is somehow working in their favor.The day I will see a politician using that rule in a TV interview I will know that we have again a chance.
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Push for more european countries to pass proportional representation to strengthen their state stability and democracy.
The countries that have some form of pr are coloured:
Propotional representation? As in party lists? How much country needs it to be marked?
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Propotional representation? As in party lists? How much country needs it to be marked?
Most countries use party lists, some mixed member proportional and Ireland uses the single transferable vote.
I’m not sure I understand your question. I would say every country should receive some form of pr as democracies are more fair and peaceful.
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Most countries use party lists, some mixed member proportional and Ireland uses the single transferable vote.
I’m not sure I understand your question. I would say every country should receive some form of pr as democracies are more fair and peaceful.
In Russia gosduma is mixed member proportional. 50% parties, 50% districts.
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This is quite literally the opposite of how you actually get people to support your cause. Ask any psychologist.
Shutting them out completely might work fine when they're a tiny minority, but when in some cases a quarter of the population agrees with them enough to vote for them, doing that is simply impossible. They will have reach.
I also still think we need people throwing their morals about manipulating people to the wind and starting to peddle left wing conspiracy theories just like the right wingers are doing. For example with how perfectly it fits there really should be an actual movement behind the whole trump=the biblical antichrist thing in the US, but I've only seen it as satire in spaces that are already left wing.
If 75 percent block together, 25 permanent can be blocked. The rest is limited. If you legitimate them through participation, you risk them being seen more acceptable a reasonable option.
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You do pay taxes in the EU if you own assets in the EU.
China taxes quite a lot less than the EU I'm sure. Otherwise nobody would have built their factories there.
The CCP is special. It's politicking very much takes it's people's happiness (or the people perceived happiness) into account.
Also While they do allow the whole weath inequality gap to increase, they very much control the wealthy, instead of having it the other way around.
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Why would they invest in your apartment if they have to pay taxes on it? Unless they can charge the tax to you as well.
You're going to need the public to build your apartment. And sadly, in Singapore where this is the case, rent is ridiculously high.
Lower revenues for residential property means lower prices for land. It means lower prices for buying houses and makes it cheaper for people to own their house or flat. If you are a developer that builds properties, you sell them to individual owners that live there instead of institutional investors like corporations or real estate funds. Wealth tax only applies for people that own big estates. When done well it does not apply to people that own their own property or rent out a few flats.
That way, super rich people that look for investment opportunities for their enormous wealth make less profit with real estate and move towards other assets. Land owners (who are usually really wealthy themselves) and large investors are the only losers here, and that's exactly the intention.
