AfD is the most popular party in Germany for the first time, with a record 26%
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True, it's a long time until the next UK general election. Maybe Reform's vote will suffer before then. Alternatively the local elections and by-elections could be a boost for them, I dunno.
Anyway, maybe we should have proportional representation in the UK. Even if Reform had 25% of the vote and therefore 25% of the seats in parliament, that would mean that 75% of parliamentarians wouldn't be Reform members.
Our current system allows a party with minority support (potentially Reform in the future) to win a majority of parliamentary seats. In 2019, the Conservatives won 44% of the vote, which gave them 56% of seats. Last year, Labour won 34% of the vote, which gave them 63% of seats.
Many reform voters are old men. Many will die between here and 4 years with the state of the NHS
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Is the proper response: Well shit.
They don't even need to win elections, everyone was already discussing immigration because of propaganda & news (Messerattacke). They have set the agenda, this now is just more evidence of their success.
Sad.
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It's not a new term, it has been around for a few centuries now. People who want to revert change, go back to the perceived good old times. Fascist is overused these days, and I'd argue reactionary hits a nice descriptive middle ground between conservative (which they are not, any more) and fascist (which many of them aren't yet). Hit them where they are, not where they move to
I do agree with and appreciate the nuance, it's clear from your careful wording you understand conservatism by definition doesn't have a cause to stand for, hence reactionary. It's apt in a good faith discussion.
My problem is supplying ammunition for bad faith discussion. Like what "libertarians" are to conservatives. They'll claim they're not conservatives, they're just libertarians. All the while accomplishing the same goals with a different name.
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Liberal does not mean leftist outside of the USA. Liberal actually means what is called libertarian in the USA.
in most contexts here ive heard "liberal" used to describe neoliberalism rather then leftism or libertarianism (though I know many conservatives in the US use it as a catch all for the left)
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Bavaria?
NRW. Rheinland, um genau zu sein. Hier gibt es auch seeehr viele "Wir haben das schon immer so gemacht"-Leute.
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One out every four people you meet being a literal nazi is tough tho
US: what about one out of every two?
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But they aren't even the ruling party, what are you on about
I've been watching AfD grow for years. They aren't the ruling party now, but will be soon enough. Maybe German democracy is strong enough to resist Fascism, maybe not. Only time will tell for sure.
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bullets and bombs
I think arrests of leaders + breaking up the party + outlawing the party + banning people who decide to take up the mantle of/act as a declared proxy for the party and attempt to visibly pick up where they left off.
That last one I learned from my own country''s current situation: in Romania, a crazy far right candidate came out of nowhere (on the wings of illegal undisclosed campaign donations) to win the first round, and as soon as that happened our mainstream far right party's candidate started supporting him. Then they canceled the election because of the undisclosed donations (he literally declared 0 campaign spending!) so now, in the redo of the election, this other guy is basically running as his proxy and will likely try to appoint him PM if he wins.
Ideally arrests and executions will be enough. I think letting fascists live out their lives in prison is too dangerous. Too many political enemies have been released historically after government changes. Hitler himself didn't even have to serve for life and was released early.
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Liberal does not mean leftist outside of the USA. Liberal actually means what is called libertarian in the USA.
I have not called liberals leftist and never would. I'm not on that American brainrot.
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Both the US and Germany want to return to their fascist roots it seems
Decades of capitalist decay and anti-communist propaganda will do that.
Mass immigration into a housing shortage will as well.
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You guys gotta be more like America on the bike lanes one.
Just have crippling, insane traffic, where it takes you three hours to move five (5) city blocks (this has actually happened to me).
Suddenly, a new bike lane gets you across the city in 26 minutes.
It made the bike lanes very popular, haha.
As an American, I don't think people will support bike lanes even then
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US: what about one out of every two?
More like 1 in 3, many people didn't or couldn't vote
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I don't think that you make a good point if you yourself make up your point. Please quote the AfD to avoid all doubt.
Of course. Here is an AfD quote:
Sieg Heil! Gas the jews!
Hope that makes it clearer.
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No surprise considering CDU/CSU fucking up shit for the broad population from day one. They even suggested a 1000€ deductible for the health insurance.
Shit, in the US a $1000 deductible is what you get with pretty good insurance. My employer has a few plans and only one has a deductible below $1000.
Not to say that's good. Just pointing out that the US has succumbed to capitalism.
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I read 50% of the men in Germany died in ww2 ….but yea cool Nazis what could go wrong.? Fuck around and find out I guess
Who is going to fight them this time? The US and the UK are heading down the same path with the US far out in the lead and Russia is already an authoritarian state. France and Canada aren't enough to stand up against this wave of naziism.
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I read 50% of the men in Germany died in ww2 ….but yea cool Nazis what could go wrong.? Fuck around and find out I guess
...and after the War the allies fell over themselves to get former Nazi ministers reelected. The CDP was funded by the US State Department for decades.
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...and after the War the allies fell over themselves to get former Nazi ministers reelected. The CDP was funded by the US State Department for decades.
Don't forget NATO being headed up by many Nazi generals.
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Of course. Here is an AfD quote:
Sieg Heil! Gas the jews!
Hope that makes it clearer.
Don't you see that false quotes undermine your position?
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Shit, in the US a $1000 deductible is what you get with pretty good insurance. My employer has a few plans and only one has a deductible below $1000.
Not to say that's good. Just pointing out that the US has succumbed to capitalism.
pretty good usually mean somewhat expensive too.
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pretty good usually mean somewhat expensive too.
Yep, costly for the enrollees and their emoyers.
