Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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Apparently all your friends and family are comfortable with hostnames and ip addresses. Not everyone's are. Also, not everyone wants to buy a static ip or setup a dynamic dns service or similar. Plex is definitely simpler. I have used both.
Apparently all your friends and family are comfortable with hostnames and ip addresses.
I mean pretty much everyone I know uses web browsers and sometimes type in web addresses lol
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Its like jellyfin but sells your data
Why would anyone want that?
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Have you set up jellyfish at your home, given access to a friend outside of your network who could not setup Jellyfin themselves, and successfully got them playing on their TV, table tablet, and/or phone? Have you been able to set them up without them having to call you every week?
Yes. It's very easy. It might not have used to be easy but it is for the last couple of years. Dead simple. About a dozen people use my Jellyfin server across TV's, phones, tablets, laptops. None of them are what I would call techies. It's as simple for them as Netflix.
If you have not set up a VPN for accessing your Jellyfin, I would suggest looking into the myriad of security issues the Jellyfin Backend has.
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I can't imagine what an Apple TV can do that a $30 Android box can't.
I can imagine lots of things the Apple TV can't do that the $30 Android box can.
I dont have an apple TV myself yet. But I can tell you one thing. Pretty much all the androids including my google TV Chromecast doesn't have codec support for the dolby audio like truehd. Its so annoying I can't play hardly any of the 4k movies I have on Plex. Looks like my options is to ether switch to apple TV, a nivida shield pro, or by a HTPC.
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For me it’s a trade-off: yes Plex is less good than Jellyfin from a data/cost perspective. But so far the UI of Plex (which is not perfect mind you), availability of Plexamp (which honestly is very very good), and the fact that I don’t have to pay for it anymore after buying lifetime swings the scale towards Plex for me.
If Plex somehow canceled my lifetime or forced ads on my shows or something, that would be a line — but making me opt out of selling my data is not that line for me.
Different taste on the UI front I guess. I thought the default Plex was awful, couldn't stand it. Jellyfin can be a bit messy though
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Another longtime user here. If you haven't already, you might want to disable autoupdates on all your devices. The "new experience" is not without its controversies.
Yeah, first thing I did after testing the new app. Still don't know why they feel the need to push this out so aggressively instead of letting it run in parallel until its ready
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There should be a library type called "Home videos and photos" for that.
I probably made a small mistake in setting that up but I tried making the dedicated "home movies" folder and it wouldn't show my videos.
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If they adhered to somewhat modern security principles for their Backend I wouldn't mind hosting it behind a reverse proxy. But since large parts of the API is unauthorized and unprotected, I wont.
And I do not plan on supporting family and friends in setting up vpns on all of their devices
What are the worries behind it? Last time someone was worried about the security it was about knowing filenames of the stuff you host by brute forcing iirc
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I'm actually fascinated/frightened by the number of people here who are apparently comfortable running an exposed remote service on their personal network without enough tech knowledge to manage user auth themselves or maintain a stack with shared volumes....
I think most of the reason people are using Plex is that they don't have to expose services. Plex handles all the nat traversal and whatnot for them.
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Seconded it’s not a no-brainer. I spent days trying to get it set up with Docker on two different computers and three different distros. It wouldn’t install, if it did install it had errors, if it would even open at all with anything other than a black screen. Hours trying to search how to fix it. I gave up and installed it as a standalone app on a common distro. Not as convenient, but FML it finally worked. Really felt like I wasted my time. Personally, this is the exact bullshit linux fanatics completely ignore when they insist on how great linux is vs whatever. I’ve got a shitload of patience, willpower and modest skill to try to get something like this working, but 99% of the population doesn’t. That’s why linux will stay on the back burner. And if it ever becomes just as easy as Windows…guess what? You’ll have many of the same problem as Windows.
You struggled to set up Jellyfin with docker?
Damn
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What's actually bad about it?
Like, this is something you opt into and is only relevant if you're watching their ad supported stuff, which I don't know anyone who watches that over their own media on Plex.
And honestly, every "bad" thing I've ever heard about Plex has been the same thing, something that sounds horrible until you understand it
Because Jellyfin users like to feel superior. Accepting that other people have other requirements from software is hard, especially when you feel like you choice is the only valid one.
As a long time Plex user, who has a Jellyfin running in parallel, just not shared, I will keep using Plex until they either force me off of it or Jellyfin manages to make accessing servers remotely easier and more secure.
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I'm actually fascinated/frightened by the number of people here who are apparently comfortable running an exposed remote service on their personal network without enough tech knowledge to manage user auth themselves or maintain a stack with shared volumes....
Also the people that know how to set that all up and still expose a Jellyfin server to the public internet
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Jellyfin is not as easy as Plex to use. Many of us are not that technically advanced
wrote last edited by [email protected]I went to the Jellyfin landing page, went to the install instructions, copy pasted and ran literally one command, opened it in a browser, made my local account, clicked a button to point it at my media folders and then I was done.
What isn't easy?
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Tailscale
I will not make myself the tech guy for half my friends and family, just because I can't share Jellyfin safely without a vpn
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I can't imagine what an Apple TV can do that a $30 Android box can't.
I can imagine lots of things the Apple TV can't do that the $30 Android box can.
Really it comes down to I distrust Google more than Apple. But I recognize there are a lot of issues with Apple, and I get the cognitive dissonance on my part combining open source with Apple. But I’m happy Apple has Android as competition.
…I also may have purchased HomePods and I do use the Apple TV + HomePod audio setup. Not messily the best value but it’s decent audio with minimal clutter/wires. I’m pretty happy with the Apple TV experience so far, but if Apple starts enshitifying (especially if they ever plaster their devices with ads the way Roku has) I’m gone immediately.
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Right. Personally I don't stream and only access my library from my TV at home. So Kodi is all I need for now. Though I'd like to try Jellyfin one day when I don't have so much other stuff to do. I actually don't know what exactly I'm missing out on.
If you want to sync watched state, resume position, that sort of stuff outside of your house, Jellyfin would be a good tool for that. And it integrates seamlessly into Kodi. Plex unfortunately doesn't, you have to launch an addon from Kodi, so it's not as nice.
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Let's not act like a user and password is some revolutionary new technical concept. They can remember it for their email provider if they can access the plex link. So why not jellyfin? I think the UX of Jellyfin is more than acceptable in this regard. Sure I wouldn't mind they added this feature but i don't see it as a must have.
Yeah, but since you basically need a VPN to share Jellyfin safely, you now also need to install and maintain that on their end
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The Jellyfin devs have made it clear, that they will not make changes that invalidate existing clients. Rebuilding the things that make sharing content via Plex so much easier would most definitely break client compatability
Citation needed.
The most compelling feature I always get asked if Jellyfin has ala Plex is the discovery/NAT punch for linking people up.
That does not strike me as something that necessarily breaks backwards compatibility. It would require some centralized discovery, and I think that is probably where we run into an issue because if I were the Jellyfin devs, I wouldn't want to have to support that, either.
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Yeah, but I need something that kids/spouse are comfortable with that can also have pretty strict content and purchase restrictions. Android still doesn’t fit that bill either. Ideally I would run something on an htpc with custom interface for all that but will a full time job that frequently has been taking me out of state and 2 hours of commute daily, $100 is a drop in the bucket for something that I don’t have to worry about my family breaking. I don’t have the time to do things that I want anymore and the Apple TV hits the simplicity/control intersection.
Yeah. I love open source, but people kinda assume you have unlimited time to sink until this stuff. Apple has done a great job selling an intuitive experience that I need for the non technical people in my household. That being said, I don’t understand why AirPlay doesn’t just fucking work. Siri is also garbage.
And if I have to listen to one more person try and explain to me why I have the wrong router, mdns, multicast, IPv6 settings, etc, I’m gonna lose it. One person is like, “buy Uniquiti, that plays nice with Apple Home and never use your ISP router”. The next person is like “you idiot, why would you think Ubiquiti + Apple would ever work stick with your IPS router”. Even if they’re right, it’s a failure of Apple to design a system that requires an IT person to setup.
Thank you for listening to my rant.
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Citation needed.
The most compelling feature I always get asked if Jellyfin has ala Plex is the discovery/NAT punch for linking people up.
That does not strike me as something that necessarily breaks backwards compatibility. It would require some centralized discovery, and I think that is probably where we run into an issue because if I were the Jellyfin devs, I wouldn't want to have to support that, either.
They argue against most suggestion with the notion, that existing clients can't handle authentication. The devs prefer working clients over a properly secured backend.
You can now extrapolate this idea and every major change that would change the way the API is accessed by clients will be stopped for the sake of continued client compatibility.
