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do you think freewill truly exists?

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    "free will" is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

    You don't have any more "free will" than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

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      #133

      To a (modern) compatibilist, free will is the capacity to respond to the same stimulus with different reactions, i.e. it’s equivalent to the cybernetic concept of degrees of freedom. As such, answer:

      “You can poke a ball-point pen and it’s going to do the same thing, over and over again: Extend and retract the lead. It is predictable because its internal complexity is below the threshold of chaos.” Then proceed to repeatedly poke them in the arm to see how many different reactions they have to that. Mentally prepare for a tickle fight.

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        Meaningful.

        The clue is in meaningful.

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          "free will" is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

          You don't have any more "free will" than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

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          The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn't it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

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            The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn't it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

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            Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.

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              I like the word "pairents"

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              Thanks. That's actually one of my own words, but you can use it all you want if you wish to do so.

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                Like yeah, exactly. With the right person, you can talk for hours and hours about all kinds of stuff that interests you.

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                Indeed I can confirm.

                Just a few days ago I pondered the life of plants and asked my wife how she thinks the death of a plant is defined if for animals (including humans of course) it's mostly the heartbeat.

                So when is a plant dead?

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                  She's not wrong. I just meant her muttering may be about the downsides. Not always, ofc, because I'm single and still mutter.

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                  Nah, it’s about what she’s doing or whatever’s going on.

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                    The couples that argue all the time, they hate smalltalk. Just tell him to bring out the trash.

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                      Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.

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                      You're assuming quantum indeterminism is random in the sense that there is no agency behind it, but there is no evidence of that. If anything, the fact we feel like we have free will suggests there might be some agency somewhere, and if it manifests anywhere, that is as indeterminism at the fundamental level.

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                        Why the fuck does everyone want to be in sustained meaningful relationships?

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                        Because relatedness is a fundamental psychological need and sustained meaningful relationships are the best way to achieve that

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                          I can't, morally, upvote you but I appreciate your self-consistency.

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                          What did drag do?

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                            I love these sorts of conversations.

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                            Alright: for how much money would you eat a teaspoon of shit?

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                            • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksV [email protected]

                              In the case of my grandfather he just went all in on his batshit insane stories, his first one was apparently how he electrocuted his balls. My grandmother avoided him initially, but after she realized he was the charming type of insane she warmed up to him. The fuck were people doing in the 70s?

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                              Electrocuting their balls, apparently.

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                                Electrocuting their balls, apparently.

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                                Well that and using chemicals that cause cancer if you don't use a mask with a filter. He came to regret that one. My grandfather was a walking OSHA violation.

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                                  Why does the image look like AI generated? How the letters are so fucked up?

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                                    Why does the image look like AI generated? How the letters are so fucked up?

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                                    Might have been corrupted through a bunch of screenshots and then restored by ai

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                                      Why does the image look like AI generated? How the letters are so fucked up?

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                                      Shit, you got my interest peaked, I want to know now

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                                        Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.

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                                        Chemical processes told me to tell you "quantum deez nutz" and I am powerless to disobey.

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                                          Why does the image look like AI generated? How the letters are so fucked up?

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                                          Took a picture of their monitor with a phone camera that uses AI image enhancement

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