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You say it’s working but they haven’t yet gotten back out of the lift nor have they gotten the lift back out of the water.
Presumably they're not frozen in time. The post was made a day ago, so at least several hours before your comment, and the picture was probably not taken minutes before the post was made. I'd imagine they got out of the water long before any of us were aware that they were ever in the water. And given that the picture isn't accompanied by a second picture of everything in the water or a story about them falling in, it's reasonable to assume that nothing as notable as that happened.
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Does it have the slides that terminate over the ocean?
The slides look pretty similar to the illustration. I don't think those are actually slides that end over the edge, they're slides that have a transparent section where they hang over the edge so you can get a little glimpse of being over the open ocean. Which I guess is an extra kind of thrill? I would pass.
Here's a screenshot of the video for comparison.
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What makes you say the dock isn't designed to carry equipment?
Show me me the specs. Note also that this dock is not fixed to pylons, so it's being used as a barge.
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The only people thinking this looks too risky are the same people who don't understand why ships float and planes fly. They don't understand the natural sciences.
This looks like a management photo op death trap to me. I'm not worried about a scissor jack being used on a flat floating surface in a pool, it's that it isn't secured to anything at all that really seems non OSHA compliant here. I just have really strong personal ethics about not eating shit 12+ feet off the ground in an hourly position. now IF the floatation device is rated for this use, and it's actually secured in place, sure, fine, but that's not what's happening.
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Show me me the specs. Note also that this dock is not fixed to pylons, so it's being used as a barge.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]What? I asked what makes you certain that the dock isn't designed for it. If you're certain, presumably you have a reason for this certainty and already know the specs from looking at it. I can't see into your mind to know your motivation for making this assertion, which is why I asked.
I assume you have some expertise that makes this obvious to you, so would you like to share it?
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If this unexploded land mine doesn't go off and kill me the moment it gets jostled, then it's not dangerous, is it?
Well of course the unexploded land mine is not dangerous.
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What? I asked what makes you certain that the dock isn't designed for it. If you're certain, presumably you have a reason for this certainty and already know the specs from looking at it. I can't see into your mind to know your motivation for making this assertion, which is why I asked.
I assume you have some expertise that makes this obvious to you, so would you like to share it?
I consider myself an expert in not dying.
No one with a Height Safety Clearance is going to work from a platform which is not certified for that use.
It's up to you to prove that this contraption is certified. Spoiler: it's not.
Anyhow, while I look forward to reading your final witty retort, I'm happy to let you engage in whatever practices you deem to be safe while I do the same. Good day sir.
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Disagree. The lift is on a gimbal. If the wheels on one side of the lift are 1cm higher than the other, that would move the platform at the top by 8cm or something. If both guys are on one side of the platform that could be enough to make the whole thing tilt by another 1cm at the wheels, and so on.
That lift is not designed to be operated on a plastic barge.
That dock is not designed to carry equipment, certainly not an elevated platform, and is not designed to be operated as a barge.
IDK why there's so many commenters here rushing to defend this kind of practice. Working at height, on equipment not intended for that application is a hard no. Why would you work for an employer that would put you in that situation? This kind of "it's probably fine" risk assessment is just absurd.
Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
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If it's maintenance they have to do regularly, there might even be a part of the pool tooled for it with arms for the floating block to sit on while they drive the lift on and off normally. Or a ramp with rollers where it gets launched like a boat and a winch to pull it back up the ramp to get out. That last one is my guess, since that whole setup could be portable as long as they had somewhere to anchor the ramp and winch.
If it's regular maintenance you get a lift that goes higher and you do it when you change the water in the pool. If the pool is empty you can just drive on the floor. Just gotta have something to lower it onto the pool floor.
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Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
Guy this just isn't true. The people on the top are on a gimbal (?) The further they are from the centre of the base the more weight is on their side and the further they will move from the centre of the base.
I'm not trying to be derisive or whatever but checking whether you think something is safe isn't really good enough. If that's the company culture then sooner or later some idiot injures themselves unnecessarily because they checked whatever thing and thought it was safe.
Safety regulations and certifications take the decision of whether something is safe out of your hands.
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Presumably they're not frozen in time. The post was made a day ago, so at least several hours before your comment, and the picture was probably not taken minutes before the post was made. I'd imagine they got out of the water long before any of us were aware that they were ever in the water. And given that the picture isn't accompanied by a second picture of everything in the water or a story about them falling in, it's reasonable to assume that nothing as notable as that happened.
I’m not joining you on making assumptions out of nothing. I’m stating what we knew at the time without any new information.
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I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could willingly boars one of those monstrosities
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Last cruise I went on, I was 15. I don't remember it being very good. Everyone was either shitting themselves about getting norovirus, or shitting themselves because they'd got norovirus. The excursions were boring and obviously done on the cheap, and I was neither old enough to drink, or young enough to fully enjoy the kids club (I will admit I was fucking amazing at dancing to Cotton Eye Joe on Just Dance though). That and there was a 13-year-old that tried to throw herself overboard and had to be dragged from the railings by other teenagers.
The ship was nothing like that though, it was the P&O ship Oriana, which is a little more reserved. It retired in 2019 and is now a cruise ship in China called the the Piano Land.
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For me, the problem is that, given that the mat is OBVIOUSLY flexible, it seems nigh impossible to securely tie down so that the torque when extended doesn't force the mooring lines out of place.
It can’t be flexible, it is AI then
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You're there to visit it, you don't need to learn the whole city lol
You haven't seen anything of a city in a week.
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Is that... a mattress? What is that lol
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You haven't seen anything of a city in a week.
You're not mapping the whole city, you're giving it a quick visit
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Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Well have you tried it in a pool? Im sure the solid ground helps some.
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What you explained is what I'd expect someone who's never been on a cruise before to describe a cruise. Sure, there's hecklers at the port immediately off the boat. Walk out of that area and it goes away, like every tourist destination.
Most cruise stops that I've been on have been around 8 hours, which is ample time to experience a bit of a location. I have only been on two cruises, so I'm by no means a seasoned traveler.
Unfortunately, the Caribbean doesn't have a rail system between the islands, so boating is the main option. While most cruises aren't luxury, and to get a suite is $$$, they are comfortable rides, almost assuredly more comfortable than a train, barring rough seas, which I've experienced once, and it wasn't that bad. They are slower than trains, but they have a dozen floors, 100 bars, pools, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things. I have enjoyed some of my at seas days more than some stops. Finally, vastly more interesting destinations is extremely subjective. There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
I'm not going to argue you least point. Like I first mentioned, they're terrible for the environment. All of my words above are just in response to, "why would anyone get one one of these", not to defend the existence of cruises.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
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There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
