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Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

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  • W [email protected]

    Cell phones exploding?

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    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon
    • https://www.wired.com/2009/11/israelis-want-a-pain-ray-of-their-own/
    • https://www.theregister.com/2010/08/24/pain_ray_la_county_jail/
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    • M [email protected]

      Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea

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      But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase...

      I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality...

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      • T [email protected]

        This will never happen tho. People don't become president without complete subjugation to the hegemonic narrative (including zionism). Complete fantasy.

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        Oh I never said it would happen. It will never happen.

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        • M [email protected]

          I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a "worse way" to do warfare, but that doesn't move the needle on how bad it is to say: "Welp, there's a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don't like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping."

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          The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.

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          • P [email protected]
            1. what a stupid fucking name
            2. why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
            3. why does no one ask question 2
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            Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?

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              1. what a stupid fucking name
              2. why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
              3. why does no one ask question 2
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              Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?

              Because once you have them, who's going to try to take them away?

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                Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount nor an entire city blocks worth though.

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                Are you ok with just accepting any innocent humans as collateral damage? Bc as far as slippery slopes go, accepting that is a fast track to dehumanization.

                I don't believe those scientists deserved to die, but even if you do, why did their spouses and children deserve to die too?

                Try to imagine you're the neighbor of that scientist. Good chance you've barely interacted with each other more than a passing nod of acknowledgement when you're coming and going from your home. Do you and your whole family deserve to die bc of proximity to a target?

                Apply that same question x all 10 scientists they killed. It almost makes the KGB targeting people with poison seem like humanitarian work by comparison.

                If these were your friends and family being killed by a foreign government while they slept in their beds, you would have to be a psychopath to just brush it off as necessary collateral damage.

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                  Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?

                  Because once you have them, who's going to try to take them away?

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                  yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn't think so.

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                    state terror

                    Yeah, the 'protocols of the elders of zion' larpers dont do anything else

                    need to stop

                    I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.

                    We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.

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                    I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.

                    I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we'd see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.

                    The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.

                    And this part, you're saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can't think of any other solutions, then please, don't be part of the solution.

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                      I'm surprised they're publicly announcing this one.

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                      I think it's probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they're trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it's a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.

                      It looks especially bad when they're pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.

                      The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?

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                        This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don't know what else to say about it.

                        We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not "ok". I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this...

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                        Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,

                        And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.

                        Alex Karp's biography makes it pretty clear he's trying to spin this shit as every American's patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that's something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.

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                          I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.

                          I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we'd see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.

                          The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.

                          And this part, you're saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can't think of any other solutions, then please, don't be part of the solution.

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                          I hope your right, but i don't know if they know how to stop,

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                          • T [email protected]

                            Because USA will never admit its disgusting foundations on genocide, slavery, etc. They would rather jerk off dead enslavers and continue supporting genocide.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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                            So the USA will never admit it, which somehow means you personally have to have a shitty view supporting genocide, too? I still don't understand the connection, because there isn't one.

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                              Money won't stop a genocidal cult from nuking the planet.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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                              Stopping the money and supply of arms sure might help.

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                                Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.

                                They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.

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                                Appreciate your optimism that Israel is a solvable problem.

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                                  Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?

                                  Because once you have them, who's going to try to take them away?

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                                  See Budapest Memorandum

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                                    One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.

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                                    I don't agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There's nobody out there who's in a morally high position.

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                                      yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn't think so.

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                                      USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism

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                                        And it's on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

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                                        And it's on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

                                        Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:

                                        Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?

                                        Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.

                                        There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).

                                        The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.

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                                          I think it's probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they're trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it's a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.

                                          It looks especially bad when they're pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.

                                          The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?

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                                          The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?

                                          I mean... That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they're less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better

                                          But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

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