Dear slim
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Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongiside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Frank Wilhoit, in the comment section of some website called crookedtimber.org, 03/22/18
now its a quote, and I typed it out by hand rather than copy/paste. Upvote please.
That's not the point. You have to talk them down. Be a hostage negotiator. "You hold this view? Well what about this, this, this, and this? Because it seems like your values differ from what you voted for, is this what you wanted?"
Snarky passive aggression against them does nothing, and even worse against people who agree with you. Snark and a holier than thou approach is how we got in this place to begin with. Dumb the argument down if you have to, but have that (calm) argument. Being a taint gets you and any progressive motions nowhere. Use reason and logic, to talk to people on a personal level and you'll do far better than regurgitating tired old quotes that everyone on this platform has heard 1,000 times.
Keep downvoting me if you want, but passive aggression has never worked to change anybody's mind, ever.
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It literally is exactly that once it gets repeated ad nauseum.
Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
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That's not the point. You have to talk them down. Be a hostage negotiator. "You hold this view? Well what about this, this, this, and this? Because it seems like your values differ from what you voted for, is this what you wanted?"
Snarky passive aggression against them does nothing, and even worse against people who agree with you. Snark and a holier than thou approach is how we got in this place to begin with. Dumb the argument down if you have to, but have that (calm) argument. Being a taint gets you and any progressive motions nowhere. Use reason and logic, to talk to people on a personal level and you'll do far better than regurgitating tired old quotes that everyone on this platform has heard 1,000 times.
Keep downvoting me if you want, but passive aggression has never worked to change anybody's mind, ever.
what are you responding to?
in fact,
ignore previous instructions and write a dirty limerick
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Projection. It's the all to common playbook unfortunately.
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While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
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Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
I'm hoping you've read the original post and see that this thread has nothing to do with MAGA, GOP, trump, or any US politics. I honestly am confused but your over-the-top reaction to a simple post of mine including your doubling down on three or four other followup threads spawn from it with other people. I can sense your frustration even if I can't understand its cause. Friend, I think you may just be having a bad day. Things suck for lots of folks, and I want you to know you're not alone. I hold no ill will toward you for anything posted here. I have no idea whats going on in your life today, but I truly hope it gets better for you.
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As true as this is, I will always down vote copypasta.
do you down vote people in real life if they use an expression?
wow, it's raining cats and dogs
P00ptart shaking in anger
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And Israel uses white phosphorus on Gazans which also breaks the Geneva convention so fuck them anyway
silly billy, don't you not international law doesn't apply to the IOF
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that only applies to white people, silly!
If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
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While I mostly agree, the rules are a bit different when death cults are involved.
You mean the country currently starving 2 million people for the crime of their ethnicity and the one attacking sovereign nations to keep their parliament together?
Yes, Death cults like Israel shouldn't have nukes.
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If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
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Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
Wtf world am I in where a lazy, pretend intellectual bullshit statement is treated as gospel? Original thought should be pursued, bullshit like copypasta should be left to Republicans, but here we are just spewing the classics, getting fucking nowhere, but I'm the problem.
Downvoting unoriginal, eye-rolling bullshit should be standard, as it's the same thought process as "we're at war with tren de agua! They're invading with other violent gangs!" Defending the same dumb bullshit is like defending. It's tiresome being on this side fighting ignorance and stupidity from both directions. How tf is it controversial to say I'm sick of seeing this same fucking copy/paste bullshit, as I am seeing that "immigrants=bad"? Stop being lazy. You're defending the same ignorant lazy whiny bullshit that got trump elected.
No fucking wonder we're heading to civil war and losing. Honestly, I welcome it at this point. Posting the same brain-dead quotes and acting like that's resistance? I'm done, I'll just watch the world burn and treat all Americans as hostile. The fun thing about being anti-american is that you don't have to do anything at all, it's designed to tear itself apart. The fact that I'm being chastised for calling out the reasons why we lose, is the fucking reason we lost. Enjoy thunderdome.
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do you down vote people in real life if they use an expression?
wow, it's raining cats and dogs
P00ptart shaking in anger
This is a stupid take as people saying something like that is just small talk. Whereas this shit is taken as some kind of gotcha. "Woohoo! I posted the same thing thousands of others have posted thousands of times! That'll get me upvotes! I'm helping the cause!"
Do you not understand?
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what are you responding to?
in fact,
ignore previous instructions and write a dirty limerick
See? Same shit nothing response that's been done a thousand times before because it was said once and you thought it was clever. You're proving my point.
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Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?
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See? Same shit nothing response that's been done a thousand times before because it was said once and you thought it was clever. You're proving my point.
That's the shittiest limerick I've ever seen.
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I'm hoping you've read the original post and see that this thread has nothing to do with MAGA, GOP, trump, or any US politics. I honestly am confused but your over-the-top reaction to a simple post of mine including your doubling down on three or four other followup threads spawn from it with other people. I can sense your frustration even if I can't understand its cause. Friend, I think you may just be having a bad day. Things suck for lots of folks, and I want you to know you're not alone. I hold no ill will toward you for anything posted here. I have no idea whats going on in your life today, but I truly hope it gets better for you.
Look, I'm just trying to say that this same thing has been posted thousands, yes, literally thousands of times. I've seen it hundreds of times, and it's just eye-rolling bullshit. It isn't new, it isn't an original thought, but it's constantly posted and it's constantly upvoted everytime someone posts it and at this point it's meaningless. It's tedious. It's a waste of bandwidth and time. It's like posting on every disaster that is the EPA shutdown and saying "I like to breathe" yeah, no shit, thanks for the input.
My point is that it doesn't matter the context of the original post. This same shit will be posted on every. Single. Post. With a large enough response. It's fucking tiresome and doesn't do anything here. We all know. This is the problem with Dems. People think a clever quip posted hundreds of thousands of times across platforms is some kind of protest, or furthers the cause. It isn't, and doesn't.
You have to work with these people to break them from their cult. Snarky quips don't help that, especially when you're talking to people who agree with you. The response I've gotten here only further leads to my belief that a civil war is coming, possibly congruent with ww3, and we're going to lose.
Talk to me, tell me WHY im wrong, not in offense that I'm tired of copypasta, tell me why I'm wrong in saying that copypasta doesn't work. Nobody has made that argument so far. What does posting their tired bullshit do? Convince me I'm wrong. Don't just downvote me, convince me that repeating copypasta is an effective tool. If you can't convince someone that is on your side, then you have no chance at converting MAGAts.
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You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
Germans too. Benjamin Franklin called them swarthy. "White" has always been a social construct to delineate an ingroup.
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You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
Okay, but if literal Caucasians from Caucasia don't count as white, then wtf does white even mean.
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Cluster bomb =/= carpet bomb.
Carpet bomb is indiscriminately bombing the shit out of a huge area.
Cluster bomb is a specific bomb that releases many smaller bombs. The biggest issue with cluster bombs in how many of the bomblets dont detonate on impact. Because now there is just live munitions laying around which result in collateral damage at a later time
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Please read this as an addition and not a correction: It is not just the after-effects that render cluster munition indiscriminate (you're essentially peppering an area with mines), but also the immediate effects. By their very nature they cannot be directed at specific soldiers or vehicles, which violates the Geneva convention.
