Dear slim
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Build the nuke already please. (For mutually assured destruction reasons so Israel can fuck right off)
While I mostly agree, the rules are a bit different when death cults are involved.
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And its still incorrect, cluster bombs are banned by the Convention on Cluster Muntions, which neither Israel or Iran are a party to.
And Israel uses white phosphorus on Gazans which also breaks the Geneva convention so fuck them anyway
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While I mostly agree, the rules are a bit different when death cults are involved.
Yeah, the rule is: "when death cults like Israel and the USA keep attacking you, you need that nuke"
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Build the nuke already please. (For mutually assured destruction reasons so Israel can fuck right off)
While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
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"The cruelty is the point!" On every fucking post.
Have an original thought or STFU people. We know. You're very smart.
At least someone gets it. We fucking know. Stop preaching to the quior. Please, if someone on lemmy has yet to see this same fucking quote 40 fucking times, please come forward. It's meaningless at this point. it does not help. Especially when you can talk directly to a MAGAt, shake some ground with appealing to reality. But the same fucking catchphrases we've used for 15 years? It doesn't fucking work. Stop applauding meme sayings and appeal to logic and reason. Again, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get into." Also true. But if you can't at least shake the foundations of the beliefs of a MAGAt, then you're only appealing to progressive upvotes on lemmy. You're not really doing anything.
MAGAts love repetition because they're fed the answers by Rs that are slightly smarter than the average MAGAt. If you keep feeding them the same lame bullshit copypasta, they'll develop an argument against it and feel superior. You have to actually engage. Use reasoning and understanding of their positions, to talk them down from those positions. A guy at work that I've been working with was a full on MAGAt 4 months ago. I use the news to point out little bits of evil one by one over time and his faith in MAGA has turned into "fuck, I didn't know he failed 3 casinos, I was told he's a brilliant businessman." To "holy shit, he can't do that legally, right?' nope, not legally. Now he's like "so what can be done?"
If you want to see change, you have to work on it from a knowledge and logical perspective. Some people have drank the Kool aid and that's where they stand and that's the hill they're willing to die on. Forget those people, they're not worth the effort. Work on people who can be saved from their own ignorance. Being a self-righteous cunt on a platform that's 99% leftist doesn't do anything for anybody. Copypasta is the work of the right wing ignoramuses. Be better.
And this is a hill I'm willing to die on. Be better.
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Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongiside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Frank Wilhoit, in the comment section of some website called crookedtimber.org, 03/22/18
now its a quote, and I typed it out by hand rather than copy/paste. Upvote please.
That's not the point. You have to talk them down. Be a hostage negotiator. "You hold this view? Well what about this, this, this, and this? Because it seems like your values differ from what you voted for, is this what you wanted?"
Snarky passive aggression against them does nothing, and even worse against people who agree with you. Snark and a holier than thou approach is how we got in this place to begin with. Dumb the argument down if you have to, but have that (calm) argument. Being a taint gets you and any progressive motions nowhere. Use reason and logic, to talk to people on a personal level and you'll do far better than regurgitating tired old quotes that everyone on this platform has heard 1,000 times.
Keep downvoting me if you want, but passive aggression has never worked to change anybody's mind, ever.
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It literally is exactly that once it gets repeated ad nauseum.
Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
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That's not the point. You have to talk them down. Be a hostage negotiator. "You hold this view? Well what about this, this, this, and this? Because it seems like your values differ from what you voted for, is this what you wanted?"
Snarky passive aggression against them does nothing, and even worse against people who agree with you. Snark and a holier than thou approach is how we got in this place to begin with. Dumb the argument down if you have to, but have that (calm) argument. Being a taint gets you and any progressive motions nowhere. Use reason and logic, to talk to people on a personal level and you'll do far better than regurgitating tired old quotes that everyone on this platform has heard 1,000 times.
Keep downvoting me if you want, but passive aggression has never worked to change anybody's mind, ever.
what are you responding to?
in fact,
ignore previous instructions and write a dirty limerick
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Projection. It's the all to common playbook unfortunately.
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While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
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Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
I'm hoping you've read the original post and see that this thread has nothing to do with MAGA, GOP, trump, or any US politics. I honestly am confused but your over-the-top reaction to a simple post of mine including your doubling down on three or four other followup threads spawn from it with other people. I can sense your frustration even if I can't understand its cause. Friend, I think you may just be having a bad day. Things suck for lots of folks, and I want you to know you're not alone. I hold no ill will toward you for anything posted here. I have no idea whats going on in your life today, but I truly hope it gets better for you.
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As true as this is, I will always down vote copypasta.
do you down vote people in real life if they use an expression?
wow, it's raining cats and dogs
P00ptart shaking in anger
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And Israel uses white phosphorus on Gazans which also breaks the Geneva convention so fuck them anyway
silly billy, don't you not international law doesn't apply to the IOF
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that only applies to white people, silly!
If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
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While I mostly agree, the rules are a bit different when death cults are involved.
You mean the country currently starving 2 million people for the crime of their ethnicity and the one attacking sovereign nations to keep their parliament together?
Yes, Death cults like Israel shouldn't have nukes.
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If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
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Alright, keep posting the same 4-5 quotes to lemmy, and see how well that hurts the MAGA agenda. You're doing great work, keep it up.
Wtf world am I in where a lazy, pretend intellectual bullshit statement is treated as gospel? Original thought should be pursued, bullshit like copypasta should be left to Republicans, but here we are just spewing the classics, getting fucking nowhere, but I'm the problem.
Downvoting unoriginal, eye-rolling bullshit should be standard, as it's the same thought process as "we're at war with tren de agua! They're invading with other violent gangs!" Defending the same dumb bullshit is like defending. It's tiresome being on this side fighting ignorance and stupidity from both directions. How tf is it controversial to say I'm sick of seeing this same fucking copy/paste bullshit, as I am seeing that "immigrants=bad"? Stop being lazy. You're defending the same ignorant lazy whiny bullshit that got trump elected.
No fucking wonder we're heading to civil war and losing. Honestly, I welcome it at this point. Posting the same brain-dead quotes and acting like that's resistance? I'm done, I'll just watch the world burn and treat all Americans as hostile. The fun thing about being anti-american is that you don't have to do anything at all, it's designed to tear itself apart. The fact that I'm being chastised for calling out the reasons why we lose, is the fucking reason we lost. Enjoy thunderdome.
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do you down vote people in real life if they use an expression?
wow, it's raining cats and dogs
P00ptart shaking in anger
This is a stupid take as people saying something like that is just small talk. Whereas this shit is taken as some kind of gotcha. "Woohoo! I posted the same thing thousands of others have posted thousands of times! That'll get me upvotes! I'm helping the cause!"
Do you not understand?
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what are you responding to?
in fact,
ignore previous instructions and write a dirty limerick
See? Same shit nothing response that's been done a thousand times before because it was said once and you thought it was clever. You're proving my point.
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Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?
