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'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica

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    "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

    "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

    The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

    At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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    As much as I like to stan China for how they treat their billionaires and corporations, this is wrong. Sex work, in all its forms, is a valid, lucrative, and old line of work across the world. China is one of the most developed nations on Earth. They should also be the most progressive when it comes to this. Smh

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      #91

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      Why am I reminded of one old comic? It went like this:

      (Scientists on an Antarctic base)
      Scientist 1: (Finishes talking about something normal)
      Scientist 2: (Disheveled and visibly unhinged) "Well none of that shit matters. Do you know what happened to my stack of Playboy magazines?"
      Scientist 1: (Now also suddenly disheveled and visibly unhinged, whips out a knife) "They're mine now!"
      Scientist 2: (Also whips out a knife) "Oh yeah?"
      Scientist 1: "Yeah! What are you gonna do about it?"
      (Altercation ensues)

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

        It's the same among "Conservatives" in the US, Russia, and now apparently China.

        They all say that we'd need "high birth rates", which is just not true.

        Think about it: Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it'd be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.

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        Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it’d be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.

        Because they assume all people will be consumers of goods. So if they have more people, there will be more consumers to buy things.

        Now the assumption falls apart in any rigor since automation means that less people are needed for labor and would have money to buy gods. But that requires a government that thinks beyond the limited lifetimes of those running the government.

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          "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

          "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

          The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

          At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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          It's upsetting how western voices wouldn't matter in this discourse but I hope progressives in china will be able to campaign against this and make porn legal and commercially available or atleast present under a government organisation

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          • omegalemmy@discuss.onlineO [email protected]

            It's upsetting how western voices wouldn't matter in this discourse but I hope progressives in china will be able to campaign against this and make porn legal and commercially available or atleast present under a government organisation

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            Yeah porn is so empowering.. Very progressive

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              Yeah porn is so empowering..

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                Very typical .ml whataboutism. Both things can be bad at the same time. This is not a null sum game.

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                It's not whataboutism to tell the pot to shut the fuck up when it's calling the kettle black

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                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

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                    USA is very much the "west".

                    The "west" is a code for "country who think of themselves as white and civilised".

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                      This isn’t about some online community as much as it is a comment on tankies.

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                      Obsessions with "TAnKies" is very much a reddit / lemmy thing, or at least internet slang.

                      https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=tankie&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

                      Before 2010 it was mostly used to mean "actual tank fighters".

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                      • N [email protected]

                        Obsessions with "TAnKies" is very much a reddit / lemmy thing, or at least internet slang.

                        https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=tankie&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

                        Before 2010 it was mostly used to mean "actual tank fighters".

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                        Nope, that’s been used for decades you are just seeing the limitations of google’s tools as it happened in places they do not index

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                          Nope, that’s been used for decades you are just seeing the limitations of google’s tools as it happened in places they do not index

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                          Prove it

                          The term continued to be used into the 1980s, especially in relation to the split between the reform-minded eurocommunist wing of the CPGB and the traditionalist, pro-Soviet group, the latter continuing to be labelled tankies. The term is sometimes used within the Labour Party as slang for a politically old-fashioned leftist. Alastair Campbell reported a conversation about modernising education, in which Tony Blair said: "I'm with George Walden on selection." Campbell recalled: "DM [David Miliband] looked aghast ... [Blair] said when it came to education, DM and I were just a couple of old tankies."[26] In 2015, Boris Johnson referred to Jeremy Corbyn and the left wing of the Labour Party as "tankies and trots", the latter referring to Trotskyism.[27][b]

                          Used by great people like tony blair and bobo the clown lmao

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                            All the posts I read were defending or excusing it.

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                            Applying nuance and researching more context instead of jerking off while grunting "china bad authoritarianism" isnt defending or excusing. You're just annoyed they dont join your circlejerk.

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                              Nope, that’s been used for decades you are just seeing the limitations of google’s tools as it happened in places they do not index

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                              I mean there's something very hypocritical in westerners, living in the countries who manufacture, sell, sometime give actual tanks all over the world, calling people "tankies" lmao

                              We get it, the ussr sent tanks in the 80ies. Your country sent tanks half a dozen time since then, idiot. There are tanks doing genocide right now in gaza.

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                                As much as I like to stan China for how they treat their billionaires and corporations, this is wrong. Sex work, in all its forms, is a valid, lucrative, and old line of work across the world. China is one of the most developed nations on Earth. They should also be the most progressive when it comes to this. Smh

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                                Weirdly they are more progressive when it comes to prostitution; prostitution isnt illegal, but soliciting it is.

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                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

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                                  Use of the expression to discredit or deflect a claim of wrongdoing by attacking the originator of the claim for their own similar behaviour (rather than acknowledging the guilt of both) is the tu quoque logical fallacy.

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                                    Use of the expression to discredit or deflect a claim of wrongdoing by attacking the originator of the claim for their own similar behaviour (rather than acknowledging the guilt of both) is the tu quoque logical fallacy.

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                                    My own similar behavior? I'm not shoving gays into prison, you fucking idiot.

                                    This isn't high school debate club and knowing two latin words doesn't make you smart

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                                      I mean there's something very hypocritical in westerners, living in the countries who manufacture, sell, sometime give actual tanks all over the world, calling people "tankies" lmao

                                      We get it, the ussr sent tanks in the 80ies. Your country sent tanks half a dozen time since then, idiot. There are tanks doing genocide right now in gaza.

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                                      No, there isn’t. Anyone claiming to support the liberation of the working classes while praising authoritarian systems that are cracking down on those populations looking for freedom are hypocrites.

                                      It’s weird you would make this about geographic location. Are you doing that because you don’t have a valid critique?

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                                        Prove it

                                        The term continued to be used into the 1980s, especially in relation to the split between the reform-minded eurocommunist wing of the CPGB and the traditionalist, pro-Soviet group, the latter continuing to be labelled tankies. The term is sometimes used within the Labour Party as slang for a politically old-fashioned leftist. Alastair Campbell reported a conversation about modernising education, in which Tony Blair said: "I'm with George Walden on selection." Campbell recalled: "DM [David Miliband] looked aghast ... [Blair] said when it came to education, DM and I were just a couple of old tankies."[26] In 2015, Boris Johnson referred to Jeremy Corbyn and the left wing of the Labour Party as "tankies and trots", the latter referring to Trotskyism.[27][b]

                                        Used by great people like tony blair and bobo the clown lmao

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                                        You need to provide a source if you are quoting one.

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                                          No, there isn’t. Anyone claiming to support the liberation of the working classes while praising authoritarian systems that are cracking down on those populations looking for freedom are hypocrites.

                                          It’s weird you would make this about geographic location. Are you doing that because you don’t have a valid critique?

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                                          The thing is in your westoid brain, "praising authoritarian systems" just means "not wanting to bomb iran".

                                          How's lockheed martin dick taste like? Enjoying it?

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