Microsoft is moving antivirus providers out of the Windows kernel. Hopefully anti-cheat will be next
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why not move anticheats out
Why not just read the article in which this get addressed?
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This is what, the fourth time a Linux community gets excited about this? But that's actually not good for us at all. Much like Android's safety net, or the nightmare that is the Mac equivalent, the entire point will be creating an untouchable chain from the firmware to the final OS being booted, and only allowing some apps to use a specific API to attest this isn't compromised.
This is horrendous for people trying to modify the OS or, in a more relevant tone, run programs meant for that OS on an entirely different environment. Microsoft has slowly been moving towards making this work on PCs, mostly due to pressure from DRM providers like Netflix or banking apps, but unlike Apple they can't simply lock everything down at once and say "deal with it" because Windows lives by backwards compatibility. Either way, this is just another step towards this upcoming future.
If your favorite games now start asking Windows if the chain of trust is not tampered with... say goodbye to compatibility with Proton.
And if Windows makes using their system super easy, there will likely be even more games with kernel level anti cheat. Classic embrace, extend, extinguish.
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Why not just read the article in which this get addressed?
Cause I don't wanna read all of it
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Microsoft has long wanted to get vendors out of the kernel. It's a huge privacy/security/stability risk, and causes major issues like the Crowdstrike outage.
Most of those issues also apply to kernel anti-cheat as well, and it's likely that Microsoft will also attempt to move anti-cheat vendors out of kernel space. The biggest gaming issues with steamOS/Linux are kernel anti-cheat not working, so this could be huge for having full compatibility of multiplayer games on Linux.
Another nail in the coffin
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Yes,
but game companies also want to spy on you and potentially sell your data. Even if they aren't selling it, the ability to do so increases the value to investors. This is the way tech companies talk about invasive software in general, FWIW.
Can you name an instance of a game company doing that?
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...wait, games don't have even a single person checking for cheaters, even casually? Like, they wholly rely on anticheat?
(PS, has been a decently long time since I played a game that needed anti cheat)
FF14 and BDO for example still have GMs but they are woefully understaffed. This is the more common reality.
Few to no mmos have zero GMs. They just frequently only work for like an hour a day doing spot checks are under staffed and mostly just are email support.
The old days of gms frequently being actively in-game to reach out to 24/7 isn't a thing anymore.
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Cause I don't wanna read all of it
It's even in the header..
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It's even in the header..
Oh I didn't notice
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Can you name an instance of a game company doing that?
Data brokers do exist... Who they buy from is the only privacy they respect. You know, capitalism.
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Data brokers do exist... Who they buy from is the only privacy they respect. You know, capitalism.
So by that logic we shouldn't be downloading any precompiled binaries from the net - they could all be spying on us!
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So by that logic we shouldn't be downloading any precompiled binaries from the net - they could all be spying on us!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]a binary and a kernel module are not the same. And I was talking about business practices that are known. But nevermind, that was before I understood you are just trolling. Now I'll simply wish you a wonderful reddit experience.
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a binary and a kernel module are not the same. And I was talking about business practices that are known. But nevermind, that was before I understood you are just trolling. Now I'll simply wish you a wonderful reddit experience.
Not trolling at all. I'm a game developer, so I was curious to hear about instances of game devs using kernel level anticheat to harvest people's personal (and identifiable) data to sell to data brokers.
Glad to know there aren't any examples of it outside of people screaming about capitalism - which is, let's be honest, quite indicative of the Lemmy experience these days.
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Not trolling at all. I'm a game developer, so I was curious to hear about instances of game devs using kernel level anticheat to harvest people's personal (and identifiable) data to sell to data brokers.
Glad to know there aren't any examples of it outside of people screaming about capitalism - which is, let's be honest, quite indicative of the Lemmy experience these days.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]As for actual kernel anticheat software siphoning out data, again, it's something that we should not immediatly dismiss... The lack of evidence is not entirely on either side of this sudden 'you vs. me'
Acxiom does sell a package of "Gaming" data. Probably coming from mobile phones for the most part, since that's where most Studios are more aggressive (even towards children, see Tilting Point Media LLC settlement last year)
Again, knowing which Studios are selling data (identifiable or not) is impossible if no Court interferes.
I was only trying to make the point that it is feasible... That's why I referred you to recall that "capitalism bad yadda yadda.."
