Russia must withdraw its troops to February 2022 line, Zelenskyy says
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Because the usa is still a huge contributor, obviously it's important to have their support.
Quality? Leopards and challengers hold their own VS Abrahams. All F16 are provided by European countries. Storm shadows. Gepards. Iris-T.
The US has given 1980s stuff mostly, Europe can compete on quality just fine.
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Europe may have better optics, but quality without leadership is like a sword without a hand to wield it. Leopards and Gepards are impressive hardware, sure, but they don’t command strategy. The US might be sending “1980s stuff,” but it’s the backbone of the logistics, coordination, and intelligence that make Europe’s shiny toys effective.
And let’s not kid ourselves—Europe’s fragmented approach is a feature, not a bug. You can’t compare unity of purpose when one side still debates whether to turn the gas back on. Numbers and tech are meaningless without resolve. Europe competes on quality? Only if they stop outsourcing their backbone to Washington.
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Wow! 2 dozen countries gave more support than one. The EU's commitment per capita is far less than the states.
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I'm sure you have numbers and an argument for the importance of the metric, right? Right?
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Why do you write like that? Do you think it makes you sound intelligent?
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Why do I write like this? Because the world is drowning in oversimplified soundbites and hollow platitudes, and someone has to cut through the noise. If you think clarity or depth is pretentious, that says more about your expectations than my delivery.
Intelligence isn’t a performance—it’s a tool to dissect the absurdity of geopolitics, propaganda, and transactional leaders who treat diplomacy like a poker game. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe it’s time to ask why mediocrity feels so familiar.
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I'm pretty sure Poland is the backbone of logistics this time. We are not bombing Afghanistan from north Carolina, we are moving artillery shells a few hundred kilometers, maybe a thousand. We don't need to deploy a burger King in the desert, when that need arises we do know who to call.
Ukraine is coordinating fine it seems, and intelligence is a joint NATO effort where the USA plays an important role but is by no means the only one.
And are you really trying to teach Europe about resolve, all while Trump and Vance and kneeling before Putin (again)?
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Pretty easy to be quick when we've seen that bullshit lie posted more times than I can count.
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Poland is the backbone? Cute. Moving shells a few hundred kilometers isn’t a logistical masterpiece; it’s a bare minimum. Let’s not confuse proximity with strategy. The US doesn’t need to "deploy a burger king" because it built the global infrastructure Europe still leans on.
Ukraine coordinating intel? Sure, but NATO’s brain remains American. Europe’s fragmented approach isn’t just inefficient—it’s a liability. Coordination without leadership is chaos waiting to happen.
And resolve? Spare me. Europe debates gas bills while outsourcing its defense to Washington. Teaching Europe about resolve isn’t hypocrisy—it’s irony. The continent that birthed empires now struggles to fund its own security while pointing fingers at others.
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I'm sorry, could you please clarify the intent of your comment? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Just they're never that quick any other time
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Factually true, looks like the turnaround time is about 1-3 hours. I guess we don't have the data on submitted reports - that'd be a fun thing to add to the modlog for transparency purposes.
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No you're just a russian tool for spewing that bullshit.
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Clearly, Putin should just be allowed to take whatever he wants. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
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Oh, FlyingSquid, your intellectual gymnastics are as impressive as a toddler tripping over their own feet. Reducing my critique of Europe’s strategic ineptitude to “let Putin take whatever he wants” is the kind of straw man argument that would make a scarecrow blush.
If you’re going to engage in geopolitical discourse, at least muster the effort to comprehend the argument. Your moral posturing is as shallow as a puddle after a drizzle—loud, messy, and ultimately irrelevant. Stick to bumper sticker slogans; they suit your depth better.
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Stopped reading at the word "toddler." Not interested in Reddit-style insult wars.
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It would be nice if that was true because in that case nobody could hear your bullshit
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That's my point, as good as usa is at logistics, you are applying the argument wholesale without considering the needs of this conflict. This is happening at Europe's doorstep, this time the logistics are easy, especially if you compare it to invading the middle east from north America.
Ukraine coordinating Intel? Sure? Well, there goes your original argument, leave to goalpost where it was.
Tell me more about American resolve, but maybe wait until Vance comes back home from selling Ukraine to Russia while trump threatens to invade Canada. Meanwhile Europe was able to replace 60% of its energy sourcing in two years and remain united. Usa left and joined the Paris accord 3 times in a decade and now is threatening to leave NATO. America lost its resolve a while ago.
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Banking on Trump to broker peace reeks of tactical nihilism
Trump brokering a deal is not negotiable, he's going to do it for the simple reason that he sees himself as the best deal-maker, the best negotiator, the best. It would be futile to try to stop him, and it doesn't hurt Ukraine's position that he try, so why the hell would they attempt to stop him.
There's basically two outcomes, here: Trump thinks Putin is nuts when it comes to demands, Trump still wants to look good domestically, so he's doubling down on Ukraine support. Then, Trump thinks Putin is in a strong position, he tries to dictate terms to Ukraine, but will fail. US support may or may not stop after that, depending on how he can spin it domestically, in any case Europe is there to have Ukraine's back.
This decision point -- is Trump going to squeeze a deal that's acceptable for Ukraine out of Putin -- has to be awaited before Ukraine can move, because otherwise you're pissing Trump off and making the US pull out instead of double down more likely.
tl;dr: It's strategically opportune to hold Trump's beer right now, you might not believe he can get anything out of Putin but you got to let him try, and fail, on his own.
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Europe’s doorstep? What a convenient excuse for mediocrity. If proximity magically solved conflicts, Europe wouldn’t need American logistics to move a few crates of ammo. Comparing this to the Middle East? Laughable. The U.S. doesn’t fumble because it’s far away; it succeeds because it plans ahead—something Europe clearly struggles with.
Intel coordination? Sure, Europe can shuffle papers while America does the thinking. Calling out “goalpost moving” is rich when your entire argument hinges on redefining failure as effort. NATO’s brain is American because Europe’s head is buried in bureaucracy.
And “resolve”? Spare me the Paris Accords sob story. Signing treaties you don’t enforce isn’t resolve; it’s theater. Europe outsourced its energy and security, then cries betrayal when reality bites. Pathetic.
