Audiologists raise concern over headphone use in young people
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Exactly.
This is not the same thing, as the other comment explains.
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but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.
Me, wearing my noise-cancelling headphones for 10+ hours a day ....
I have my noise cancelling airpods pro, but never use ANC because it has that white noise sound I don't like. It's basically blasting more noise in your earhole to drown out/cancel out the noise around you.
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No it’s not. Experts in their field are seeing a strong correlation in behaviors that could harm your health. It’s the perfect place for an audiologist to speak to this issue.
And they also have a theoretical basis for their hypothesis. You don't have to have 100% experimental proof about something to take initial action, especially to avoid harm.
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I have my noise cancelling airpods pro, but never use ANC because it has that white noise sound I don't like. It's basically blasting more noise in your earhole to drown out/cancel out the noise around you.
Yeah, ANC quality can vary a lot and generally it's even worse for earbuds.
I have a pair of Bose QC Ultra headphones which have amazing ANC.
A few month back there was a constuction site across the street. At one point I felt my desk vibrating, so I took of my headphones ... only then did I realised they were using a jackhammer.
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As the world become more and more noisy. And people become more a more shitty with regards of doing noise without care about how it affects others. ANC become a necessity for some people.
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'Words sound like gibberish'
What? This article is confusing as hell.
I use mine a lot, but I don't have problems telling where sounds are coming from or understanding what is being said.
Tbh this just sounds like ADHD or something.
Tbh this just sounds like ADHD or something.
It's APD (Auditory Processing Disorder). That's explained in the article.
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No it’s not. Experts in their field are seeing a strong correlation in behaviors that could harm your health. It’s the perfect place for an audiologist to speak to this issue.
We also had an expert who started the vacines cause autism trying to peddle a new replacement for the MMR vaccine. (This is my opinion based on the research done Here )Just because "an expert" says something, doesn't mean it's true. And blindly listening to them can cause harm as well.
This is a fallacy called Argument of authority
No, it's completely irresponsible to say something not peer reviewed and actually studied.
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And they also have a theoretical basis for their hypothesis. You don't have to have 100% experimental proof about something to take initial action, especially to avoid harm.
Because that worked so well for
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We also had an expert who started the vacines cause autism trying to peddle a new replacement for the MMR vaccine. (This is my opinion based on the research done Here )Just because "an expert" says something, doesn't mean it's true. And blindly listening to them can cause harm as well.
This is a fallacy called Argument of authority
No, it's completely irresponsible to say something not peer reviewed and actually studied.
There was never even a shred of proper science behind the autism causes vaccines thing, and it was a very very very very minority opinion.
Does gravity exist on Alpha Centrauri? Ask any physicist, they're going to say "yes". You're then going to stand there, saying "we have not actually made the necessary experiments on Alpha Centauri itself, we do not have conclusive evidence, all those people are peddling pseudoscience". Never mind that all that we know about physics leads us to the extrapolation that, yes, gravity exists there and we have no reason to think why there isn't gravity there. Could that extrapolation be wrong? Yes. But it's also a silly thing to insist onto working into the plans of a colonialisation spaceship. All you're achieving with that is having it never be built, bogging shit down in unsubstantiated scepticism.
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Because that worked so well for
Dr.WakefieldNot at all the same thing. There was tons of evidence and theory that vaccines were safe, and the consequences of not using them were very high.
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Yeah, ANC quality can vary a lot and generally it's even worse for earbuds.
I have a pair of Bose QC Ultra headphones which have amazing ANC.
A few month back there was a constuction site across the street. At one point I felt my desk vibrating, so I took of my headphones ... only then did I realised they were using a jackhammer.
Similar story here, Bose QC whilst the house next door was (basically) being demolished... I just found the headphones ate batteries faster.
I sometimes find I'm just working with the headphones on and whatever I was listening to had stopped ages ago.
by blocking everyday sounds such as cars beeping, there is a possibility the brain can "forget" to filter out the noise.
Also growing up in the quiet countryside, I can say that you do not “forget” to hear sounds like cars... it's definitely the everyday background noise that's the problem.
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There was never even a shred of proper science behind the autism causes vaccines thing, and it was a very very very very minority opinion.
Does gravity exist on Alpha Centrauri? Ask any physicist, they're going to say "yes". You're then going to stand there, saying "we have not actually made the necessary experiments on Alpha Centauri itself, we do not have conclusive evidence, all those people are peddling pseudoscience". Never mind that all that we know about physics leads us to the extrapolation that, yes, gravity exists there and we have no reason to think why there isn't gravity there. Could that extrapolation be wrong? Yes. But it's also a silly thing to insist onto working into the plans of a colonialisation spaceship. All you're achieving with that is having it never be built, bogging shit down in unsubstantiated scepticism.
You are right there's never been any credible evidence.
But I wasn't claiming that.
I was claiming it was irresponsible to report on such an early finding in the media without proper verification and actual conclusive studies.
Almost like the BBC article here in question.
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Not at all the same thing. There was tons of evidence and theory that vaccines were safe, and the consequences of not using them were very high.
And yet that didn't stop the ACTUAL harm it caused.
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Tbh this just sounds like ADHD or something.
It's APD (Auditory Processing Disorder). That's explained in the article.
Guess I didn't read that far
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The cause of Sophie's APD diagnosis is unknown, but her audiologist believes the overuse of noise-cancelling headphones, which Sophie wears for up to five hours a day, could have a part to play.
So fucking stupid...
Kid grew up on a quiet farm in the countryside, then she moved to London and probably 100+ student plus lectures.
It's not that noise cancelling headphones prevented her from developing normally, she developed in an environment like what we evolved to handle.
Then she got thrown into a cacophony of sound that is one of the planets largest/busiest cities...
And they act like she is the problem and not noise pollution?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-024-00642-5
Noise pollution is fucking a lot of us up, and people who grew up with it are used to it, but that doesn't stop the negative consequences of it. Someone that never had to deal with it is obviously going to have what looks like a sudden onset of a condition, but the person is fine.
The environment is the problem.
People are posting about wanting to run away to the woods but I think it's important to remember that cities can be quiet.
Not that we should all move to Delft, but if we built infrastructure for people instead of cars cities wouldn't be so fucking loud.
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You are right there's never been any credible evidence.
But I wasn't claiming that.
I was claiming it was irresponsible to report on such an early finding in the media without proper verification and actual conclusive studies.
Almost like the BBC article here in question.
They're reporting on what the audiologists observe and believe to be the case, and clearly label it as such: A belief, with further study necessary. People thinking they could be affected by this might take action after reading the article, true, and the action would be -- easing off on using sound-cancelling headphones. That could, in the end, not help. What would be the harm done? Neither the science was misrepresented, it was portrayed as incomplete, "here's our educated guess", and the recommendations one can draw from that guess are quite inconceivable to cause harm themselves.
Have a look again at what the Hippocratic oath states: First, do no harm. They're keeping to that. Ease off. You can tell a patient to try dialling back on their coffee consumption before having conclusive proof that that's what's causing their jitters: Less coffee won't kill them.
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They're reporting on what the audiologists observe and believe to be the case, and clearly label it as such: A belief, with further study necessary. People thinking they could be affected by this might take action after reading the article, true, and the action would be -- easing off on using sound-cancelling headphones. That could, in the end, not help. What would be the harm done? Neither the science was misrepresented, it was portrayed as incomplete, "here's our educated guess", and the recommendations one can draw from that guess are quite inconceivable to cause harm themselves.
Have a look again at what the Hippocratic oath states: First, do no harm. They're keeping to that. Ease off. You can tell a patient to try dialling back on their coffee consumption before having conclusive proof that that's what's causing their jitters: Less coffee won't kill them.
You say this like pilots, young and old, haven't been using ANC headphones for decades safely at this point.
And no, just because someone says something could be a risk, doesn't mean we all respond. I mean that's literally the lesson we learned from the vacines cause autism. What are you even talking about it's okay to just wildly speculate.
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You say this like pilots, young and old, haven't been using ANC headphones for decades safely at this point.
And no, just because someone says something could be a risk, doesn't mean we all respond. I mean that's literally the lesson we learned from the vacines cause autism. What are you even talking about it's okay to just wildly speculate.
There's a marked difference between using headphones to cancel out deafening noises while you're working, and using them all the time to get rid of everyday noise. There's also a clear difference in age, once you're a pilot and start wearing those things you're fully grown, while the affected here are quite younger, having used those headphones extensively while their brains are still way more plastic.
"Noise-cancelling is dangerous in general" is something you read into the article. It's not actually there. What it's saying is "young people should watch their use of noise-cancelling headphones as the auditory system needs exposure to noise to properly develop". That's it. It's a "young people, have an eye on this" thing, not "burn your headphones".
What are you even talking about it’s okay to just wildly speculate.
I said no such thing. Here's a wild speculation: You have noise-cancelling headphones and somehow interpret the article as a personal attack. Ok that wasn't wild it has actually some basis. This is wild: You're an alien from Alpha Cenauri trying to sow misinformation about the existence of zero-gravity space in your solar system. I'm Schizotypal, dare me, I can go on all day like that if you want to.
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There's a marked difference between using headphones to cancel out deafening noises while you're working, and using them all the time to get rid of everyday noise. There's also a clear difference in age, once you're a pilot and start wearing those things you're fully grown, while the affected here are quite younger, having used those headphones extensively while their brains are still way more plastic.
"Noise-cancelling is dangerous in general" is something you read into the article. It's not actually there. What it's saying is "young people should watch their use of noise-cancelling headphones as the auditory system needs exposure to noise to properly develop". That's it. It's a "young people, have an eye on this" thing, not "burn your headphones".
What are you even talking about it’s okay to just wildly speculate.
I said no such thing. Here's a wild speculation: You have noise-cancelling headphones and somehow interpret the article as a personal attack. Ok that wasn't wild it has actually some basis. This is wild: You're an alien from Alpha Cenauri trying to sow misinformation about the existence of zero-gravity space in your solar system. I'm Schizotypal, dare me, I can go on all day like that if you want to.
Fun fact. In North America you can get your pilots license at 16 in Canada and I believe the US, and yet there's been nothing reported there? So nope still don't buy it.
And where do you think ANC tech was developed? Bose literally made their name in aviation headsets.
"Noise-cancelling is dangerous in general" is something you read into the article. It's not actually there. What it's saying is "young people should watch their use of noise-cancelling headphones as the auditory system needs exposure to noise to properly develop". That's it. It's a "young people, have an eye on this" thing, not "burn your headphones".
Your still listening to someone just shouting into a microphone. Why should I take them seriously?
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APD doesn't have similarities with ADHD. ADHD can cause APD but APD like many other common symptoms is not in the official catalog of symptoms for ADHD. But it makes sense when you think of ADHD as "not being able to prioritize input" so all you hear is processed simultaneously.
I'm not saying the doctors are wrong. But they don't know why she has it and I'm just saying that there may be a link that they're not seeing because of years of wrong diagnosis criteria for ADHD and Autism. Hell until 2013 they told that it is impossible to have both and today we know that the overlap is somewhere between 30 and 50%.
APD doesn’t have similarities with ADHD. ADHD can cause APD but APD like many other common symptoms is not in the official catalog of symptoms for ADHD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9493945/
"Central auditory processing disorder (CAPD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) present overlapping symptomatology."
