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    ever heard of zlibrary?

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    I am aware of them, yes. It’s not the book download site that I use personally, but you can never have enough options.

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      I am aware of them, yes. It’s not the book download site that I use personally, but you can never have enough options.

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      which do you use?

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      • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

        I just buy physicals of the reference books I really want and pirate the digitals of anything else that isn’t sold DRM-free. I WILL own what I bought, whether they like it or not.

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        I wish I could do the same. I prefer paper books, we have a massive library and mostly read in our language on paper (except uni textbooks, I wouldn't want to buy them and the library doesn't have enough). However, that stopped being feasible when most of my non-fiction reading switched to English. Since English books are mostly not sold locally, I would have gone bankrupt on delivery costs alone. So thanks Libgen for my education.

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        • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

          Sure, no platform will have everything. But for me personally, on YouTube Music, I’ve always been able to find what I was looking for. But I’m admittedly not what you’d call a music aficionado.

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          Interestingly, I am now going through some album series that are not on Youtube, but are on Spotify. It is frustrating because I can't use Spotify on my phone (browser is incompatible), but I can Youtube, so music discovery is desktop-only. Good thing all of them are on Soulseek, though.

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          • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

            How is that Elipsa e2? I wanted to get it, but I discovered that it had a low PPI 227 and held off. I have eagle eyes and I hate seeing pixels. lol.. so I got the sage fantastic device, but I want the 10" screen so badly.

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            I have not been at all dissatisfied with its clarity. I bet on a LCD or OLED screen the DPI would be noticeable, but not on an e-ink display.

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            • T [email protected]

              which do you use?

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              I usually use Anna’s Archive or Lib Gen, depending on what’s actually up and working. Anna scrapes Zlib as well as other sources. Usually that’s where I can find the really obscure stuff.

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                But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                Honest question, how is this different from the left doing the same? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy

                As an outsider, it seems the USA is currently in a culture war, and neither side minds burning & changing the books they deem offensive?

                I'm all for the Trump hate, what's happening there is insane, but the American left wing being bothered by books being changed seems pretty hypocritical seeing recent events....

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                  Honest question, how is this different from the left doing the same? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy

                  As an outsider, it seems the USA is currently in a culture war, and neither side minds burning & changing the books they deem offensive?

                  I'm all for the Trump hate, what's happening there is insane, but the American left wing being bothered by books being changed seems pretty hypocritical seeing recent events....

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                  The controversy you pointed out is about someone who was writing factually false information and feeding hate against people who should be covered under the freedom of speech. The ban happened during his life, and not years after he died. Therefore his works were not a peace of gone culture, but hate in the present of time.

                  If I follow your argumentation, that being that you should allow people write false information feeding hate against specific people just living their life in peace, you should be against censoring Hate speech against Lgbtqia+ people too, or the better question would be: where do you draw the line? At Jews? At queer people?

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                    The controversy you pointed out is about someone who was writing factually false information and feeding hate against people who should be covered under the freedom of speech. The ban happened during his life, and not years after he died. Therefore his works were not a peace of gone culture, but hate in the present of time.

                    If I follow your argumentation, that being that you should allow people write false information feeding hate against specific people just living their life in peace, you should be against censoring Hate speech against Lgbtqia+ people too, or the better question would be: where do you draw the line? At Jews? At queer people?

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                    I have honestly no clue what you're trying to say???

                    If you read the wiki page i linked, it's about changing his books after his death, so not things about when he was still alive? Is also not about a ban? Did you even read the wiki? It literally starts with "Puffin Books, the children's imprint of the British publisher Penguin Books, expurgated various works by British author Roald Dahl in 2023, sparking controversy. "

                    And you're talking about hate against races, but the wiki talks about removing the word queer (which used to just be a synonym for strange), removing all kinds of gendered language (not sons & daughters, but children, etc....). So rewriting the books to fit your narrative.

                    My argumentation is simple: the right wing can't change books, but the leftwing can? Both sides seem to be trying to rewrite history, that's all. Whether what's in the books is acceptable or not, who cares. If the book is no longer appropriate, don't read it but complaining about the other side rewriting books seems hypocritical. That's all. You can just not recommend books to readers and suggest more modern alternatives that are more appropriate, or read the old works taking in mind the era they were written in.

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                      I have honestly no clue what you're trying to say???

                      If you read the wiki page i linked, it's about changing his books after his death, so not things about when he was still alive? Is also not about a ban? Did you even read the wiki? It literally starts with "Puffin Books, the children's imprint of the British publisher Penguin Books, expurgated various works by British author Roald Dahl in 2023, sparking controversy. "

                      And you're talking about hate against races, but the wiki talks about removing the word queer (which used to just be a synonym for strange), removing all kinds of gendered language (not sons & daughters, but children, etc....). So rewriting the books to fit your narrative.

                      My argumentation is simple: the right wing can't change books, but the leftwing can? Both sides seem to be trying to rewrite history, that's all. Whether what's in the books is acceptable or not, who cares. If the book is no longer appropriate, don't read it but complaining about the other side rewriting books seems hypocritical. That's all. You can just not recommend books to readers and suggest more modern alternatives that are more appropriate, or read the old works taking in mind the era they were written in.

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                      didn't know JK Rowling is into Lemmy now

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                        didn't know JK Rowling is into Lemmy now

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                        Ah yeah, going for the insult rather than engaging with a difficult talking point...

                        I for sure hate trans people when i say it's hypocritical to complain about the right wing changing books to fit what they view as correct, when the left wing is doing the exact same (strange... my point isn't even about trans people it seems... how peculiar).

                        I haven't even said that i have a problem with more gender neutral language, i just gave it as en example of what it's about since the parent post was all about hate speech, (and there was some issue with that too in his childrens books, but afaik hardly any).

                        And i focused on that because OP made it sound as if just hate speech was being targetted, not rewriting old works to fit very left wing desires about how gender is mentioned.

                        But the question remains: if the right does it, it's Nazism, when the left does it, it's.... <?????> (at least totally not Nazism, because when we do something that we claim is blatant Nazism when the others do it, it's ok, because obviously, we're not Nazis, even when we do things that we call out as blatantly Nazism when others do it).

                        (and why am i trying to call this out: because i hate hypocrisy & polarization. It's fair to disagree with that, but then calling it Nazism and being all wronged about it while the American left wing is doing the exact same, and then get's called out the exact same by de maga idiots... That's just stupid on both sides, and i'd prefer our side to be genuine and honest, and not be all offended when others do the same thing they're doing)

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                          But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                          13+ years ago when I'd say why I hate social media, cloud services, all this convenient dependence, everybody would act as if this was stupid.

                          My logic was that if there's a mechanism allowing such influence, no matter how small, its power will grow almost until the death of such an ecosystem. Because the returns of abusing it will always be more than the expenses.

                          I don't like this Cassandra feeling really.

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                            Soon:

                            "Protestors who were planning to publish video evidence of police brutality find the videos mysteriously vanished from their phone"

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                            In some Star Wars book, of the period between PT and OT, there was a similar moment, but I don't remember details. Context - it's described as some slow transition, while the Republic of the Clone Wars had military censorship and many freedoms curbed, after the war supposedly ended and the Empire proclaimed, it legally and procedurally was mostly the same and the military limitations were in part lifted. So there were protests and attempts to use legal mechanisms, with such funny events.

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                              And here’s a reminder that if you run a Plex server, there’s an app called Prologue which turns it into a fully fledged audiobook server.

                              Plex doesn’t natively support things like audiobook bookmarks in m4b files, and tries to just play them straight through like a gigantic 4 hour long music track. But Prologue does support bookmark data. Prologue simply uses Plex’s service to access the files, (because admittedly, Plex is good for letting newbies remotely access their content) and then it ignores Plex’s built-in “lol just play it like music” instructions, and actually parses the files for bookmark data.

                              As someone who couldn’t get Audiobookshelf to work properly, (something about not being able to access network drives via Docker), Prologue has saved my audiobook library by allowing me to just host it via Plex instead.

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                              Jellyfin supports audio books too, but I feel that audiobookshelf gives a much neater experience.

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                                I have honestly no clue what you're trying to say???

                                If you read the wiki page i linked, it's about changing his books after his death, so not things about when he was still alive? Is also not about a ban? Did you even read the wiki? It literally starts with "Puffin Books, the children's imprint of the British publisher Penguin Books, expurgated various works by British author Roald Dahl in 2023, sparking controversy. "

                                And you're talking about hate against races, but the wiki talks about removing the word queer (which used to just be a synonym for strange), removing all kinds of gendered language (not sons & daughters, but children, etc....). So rewriting the books to fit your narrative.

                                My argumentation is simple: the right wing can't change books, but the leftwing can? Both sides seem to be trying to rewrite history, that's all. Whether what's in the books is acceptable or not, who cares. If the book is no longer appropriate, don't read it but complaining about the other side rewriting books seems hypocritical. That's all. You can just not recommend books to readers and suggest more modern alternatives that are more appropriate, or read the old works taking in mind the era they were written in.

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                                I am with you on this one. I do think it would be appropriate to have a disclaimer in the beginning, saying that these words used to have a different meaning, and that in the context of the time they were written they meant different things than today.
                                There is a German book where this is done that uses the N word for people of color.
                                This is the more appropriate way of handling this, because i am totally with you: we shouldn't change what was written in books. If we start doing that, we destroy what authors have done, and in a sense we also edit history, because in this case we try to erase that these words were used in another context back in the days.

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                                  I am with you on this one. I do think it would be appropriate to have a disclaimer in the beginning, saying that these words used to have a different meaning, and that in the context of the time they were written they meant different things than today.
                                  There is a German book where this is done that uses the N word for people of color.
                                  This is the more appropriate way of handling this, because i am totally with you: we shouldn't change what was written in books. If we start doing that, we destroy what authors have done, and in a sense we also edit history, because in this case we try to erase that these words were used in another context back in the days.

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                                  Indeed

                                  And that also bothers me about threads like this... both sides in the USA seem to be guilty of this, so to now call it propaganda & nazism when the right is doing it... It's of course true, but the left wing is doing the exact same, so you can't really be that outraged.... You're both doing the same thing :s

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                                  • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                    Piracy was, is and remains a service problem, as Gabe Newell of Valve (Steam) once stated. Most people are perfectly content to pay a reasonable price to get access to the things they want. But if you make that impossible, they’ll find other options.

                                    Take anime for example: even if you subscribed to every streaming service out there, you still wouldn’t be able to see everything you wanted. Some things aren’t streamable or sold ANYWHERE, or only on a service that’s actively blocked in your region. Which means there is simply no legal way for you at all to get that content.

                                    Music on the other hand solved that dilemma. You can use Spotify, YT Music, Apple Music or a host of other options. You pay a flat fee and you can listen to pretty much every song you want, as often as you want. Nobody’s pirating MP3’s these days, because nobody needs to. It’s now more convenient to just stream it.

                                    I’d really like to see someone do the same for books. An unlimited digital library that lets you download anything you want for a flat subscription fee. I’d pay 10 bucks a month for that for sure. Because that would make it more convenient than pirating is right now, with a more consistent experience.

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                                    Yes, about service problems and Steam - I understand why it happened, but sanctions on Russia causing my inability to not buy, but even find in store some games kinda affect it. One small nuance is that family members of those, well, making decisions in Russia are often in the western countries feeling themselves very well (including Steam games), and those who are not do not, I think, have problems dealing with this. And, btw, topping up your Steam wallet is possible, just via intermediaries with some additional expense.

                                    OK, this is not about Steam, this is about sanctions efficiency.

                                    EDIT: On the subject - I pirate MP3's. I like having my music stored locally and not dependent on various services. I may start some day using some of those services, probably.

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                                      Honest question, how is this different from the left doing the same? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Dahl_revision_controversy

                                      As an outsider, it seems the USA is currently in a culture war, and neither side minds burning & changing the books they deem offensive?

                                      I'm all for the Trump hate, what's happening there is insane, but the American left wing being bothered by books being changed seems pretty hypocritical seeing recent events....

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                                      A punchier example would be And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie - the best selling murder mystery of all time - which was first published as Ten Little Niggers

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                                      • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                                        Lol. This is the exact same on...checks notes... every single other platform I know of. I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system. You can literally "jailbreak" it and still get updates from them. They also don't lock their books with encryption like on kindle so they lock you in. IMHO, there is 0 reasons to buy a kindle now, period.

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                                        I have a kobo sage and it's the same, except that kobo runs on Linux and they don't lock their system.

                                        It runs on Android which runs on a Linux kernel. And Android is a tad bit too heavy for the kind of hardware the vendors tend to give e-readers, if you do anything outside the book-management-and-reader app. It's more open than Kindle, sure (i could even flash Lineagos on my Leaf, since the stock ROM had weird translation and apps), but if you just want an e-reader and maybe Nextcloud sync, i'd recommend PocketBook over everything else.

                                        Edit: well, AOSP based custom ROM, not Android.

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                                          But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                                          "How about instead of words, we fill books with numbers?"

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