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What's the underrated quote that will stick with you for life?

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  • needthosepylons@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

    Even better if you can provide your own understanding of its meaning.

    Mine would be :

    "Nothing kills a man as much as being forced to represent a country" (and err considering the context, I must stress it has nothing to do with the current US shitshow), by a WW1 soldier, illustrator and writer named Jacques Vaché.

    For me it just means being forced into representing a group (national, of course, but maybe also social, racial, sexual, professional, any kind of group) or defining one's identity only by reference to a group is to be avoided at all costs.

    Note : Its not the same, imho, as engaging in a collective struggle or defense against a common oppression.

    How about you?

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    It’s a poem by Stephen Crane, but so short I’m often reminded of it in full:

    A man said to the universe:

    ”Sir, I exist!”

    “However,” replied the universe,

    “The fact has not created in me

    A sense of obligation.”

    It sounds nihilistic, but it’s somehow calming whenever I start to feel like I’ve been wronged or I’m owed a break of some sort.

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      I got two. First is just Hanlon's razor; "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence"

      The second one is a bit of a strange pick; its "But there's no sense crying over every mistake; You just keep on trying till you run out of cake."

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      I hate Hanlon's Razor. It's used as an excuse by and for too many malicious people lately.

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        I got two. First is just Hanlon's razor; "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence"

        The second one is a bit of a strange pick; its "But there's no sense crying over every mistake; You just keep on trying till you run out of cake."

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        Another version I've heard is "When you suspect a conspiracy you often only find incompetence"

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          "Don't follow people - follow ideas" which seems more relevant today than ever before it seems.

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          I think there is a quote somewhere from someone that says people talk about people, smarter people talk about facts and even smarter people talk about ideas. I am probably murdering the quote, but it was something like that.

          It makes sense though, talking about other people doesn't really provide much direction in life. Facts do provide more direction in life, but ideas really function as a pointer in a lot of situations when may not know what to do otherwise.

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            "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
            -A clump of talking stars in Futurama
            I look at it like being a good custodian or someone who takes pride in the smallest details of their work, regardless of whether or not you receive recognition for them. Most people don't notice the effort being put in when things are running smoothly. The work of the people behind the scenes is directly responsible for successes in the spotlight.

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            This is what IT feels like. Everything is working? What do we pay those guys for?

            Everything is not working? What do we pay those guys for?

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            • deadninja@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              "Hurt people hurt people"

              Ever since I heard this, I became relatively more compassionate towards people, even if they piss me off.

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              It is very true, and how trauma is passed on from generation to generation. If you can skip a generation or escape the trauma you are essentially the stopping point of that trauma.

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                I think there is a quote somewhere from someone that says people talk about people, smarter people talk about facts and even smarter people talk about ideas. I am probably murdering the quote, but it was something like that.

                It makes sense though, talking about other people doesn't really provide much direction in life. Facts do provide more direction in life, but ideas really function as a pointer in a lot of situations when may not know what to do otherwise.

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                Yeah this quote really pivoted my life to a strong cosmopolitan view. By detaching ideas from people you can pick and choose and design your own philosophy and direction without attachment to exact people or inherited culture.

                This is quite liberating mentally as solving cognitive dissonance is very expensive and theres an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance required to follow people who are often flawed or have conflicting ideas attached to them.

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                  Given his political leanings, very appropriate.

                  TBH his writing style was a bit adjective-y too, although the world he built is fascinating. (I know less about his many letters and journals)

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                  Yeah...I try to not dwell on his questionable (very wrong and racist) ideas he had, and focus on the cosmic horror. 100 % adjective-y (never really thought about his work like that, but it's too true haha).

                  I just liked the quote disregarding his ideas. I even used it on the cover page of my thesis.

                  I do quite like the memes of HP's most nightmarish situation being in an elevator with a Welsh person, or having AC. They're pretty spot on.

                  Anyways, I just wanted to make sure no one thought I agree with his views, I just like the cosmic horror.

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                    Yeah...I try to not dwell on his questionable (very wrong and racist) ideas he had, and focus on the cosmic horror. 100 % adjective-y (never really thought about his work like that, but it's too true haha).

                    I just liked the quote disregarding his ideas. I even used it on the cover page of my thesis.

                    I do quite like the memes of HP's most nightmarish situation being in an elevator with a Welsh person, or having AC. They're pretty spot on.

                    Anyways, I just wanted to make sure no one thought I agree with his views, I just like the cosmic horror.

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                    Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot. I see how I did that now.

                    To give another example illustrating the quote, Tolkien called himself an anarcho-monarchist and meant it. His explanation did not make it clearer what that means.

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                      Never tie your identity to something that can be taken away. Re: job title, salary, perceived status. Your self perceived identity should have a much more stable foundation.

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                      Pirate Softeware?

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                      • needthosepylons@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                        Even better if you can provide your own understanding of its meaning.

                        Mine would be :

                        "Nothing kills a man as much as being forced to represent a country" (and err considering the context, I must stress it has nothing to do with the current US shitshow), by a WW1 soldier, illustrator and writer named Jacques Vaché.

                        For me it just means being forced into representing a group (national, of course, but maybe also social, racial, sexual, professional, any kind of group) or defining one's identity only by reference to a group is to be avoided at all costs.

                        Note : Its not the same, imho, as engaging in a collective struggle or defense against a common oppression.

                        How about you?

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                        "Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source" - Iroh

                        And

                        "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now." - Hitchhikers Guide

                        Dont think about things too much. Just accept it, and change accordingly with a response

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                        • goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

                          "Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source" - Iroh

                          And

                          "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now." - Hitchhikers Guide

                          Dont think about things too much. Just accept it, and change accordingly with a response

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                          Came for the second, stayed for the first

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                          • goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

                            "Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source" - Iroh

                            And

                            "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now." - Hitchhikers Guide

                            Dont think about things too much. Just accept it, and change accordingly with a response

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                            Also from H2G2, behold the majestic :
                            "
                            -Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy. I'd much rather be happy than right any day. I'd far rather be happy than right any day.

                            -And are you?

                            -Ah. No. We'll that's where it all falls down, of course."

                            I like it even better in the movie, Bill Nighy embodies this sentence perfectly.

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                            • C [email protected]

                              Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot. I see how I did that now.

                              To give another example illustrating the quote, Tolkien called himself an anarcho-monarchist and meant it. His explanation did not make it clearer what that means.

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                              No worries. I just wanted to make sure people knew I don't agree with his ideas. I just love his writing and mythos he started haha.

                              Interesting Tolkien quote, I'll have to look up his explanation, but I have no clue how anyone would define that.

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                                I think there is a quote somewhere from someone that says people talk about people, smarter people talk about facts and even smarter people talk about ideas. I am probably murdering the quote, but it was something like that.

                                It makes sense though, talking about other people doesn't really provide much direction in life. Facts do provide more direction in life, but ideas really function as a pointer in a lot of situations when may not know what to do otherwise.

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                                https://www.azquotes.com/author/12603-Eleanor_Roosevelt

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                                • needthosepylons@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                                  Even better if you can provide your own understanding of its meaning.

                                  Mine would be :

                                  "Nothing kills a man as much as being forced to represent a country" (and err considering the context, I must stress it has nothing to do with the current US shitshow), by a WW1 soldier, illustrator and writer named Jacques Vaché.

                                  For me it just means being forced into representing a group (national, of course, but maybe also social, racial, sexual, professional, any kind of group) or defining one's identity only by reference to a group is to be avoided at all costs.

                                  Note : Its not the same, imho, as engaging in a collective struggle or defense against a common oppression.

                                  How about you?

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                                  Work smarter, not harder.

                                  Scrooge Mc Duck
                                  
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                                  • needthosepylons@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                                    Even better if you can provide your own understanding of its meaning.

                                    Mine would be :

                                    "Nothing kills a man as much as being forced to represent a country" (and err considering the context, I must stress it has nothing to do with the current US shitshow), by a WW1 soldier, illustrator and writer named Jacques Vaché.

                                    For me it just means being forced into representing a group (national, of course, but maybe also social, racial, sexual, professional, any kind of group) or defining one's identity only by reference to a group is to be avoided at all costs.

                                    Note : Its not the same, imho, as engaging in a collective struggle or defense against a common oppression.

                                    How about you?

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                                    "The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it. The iron cannot know why the fire scorches it. When thy life is cleft and scorched; when death and sadness leap at thee, beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate. But thank The Builder for the trials which shape thee."

                                    From Thief: The Dark Project

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