Tesla loses ground as Chinese EVs dominate global markets.
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Eh. Both received subsidies. No one is a saint
I agree.
The point is how much subsidies they receive. Chinese automakers seems to get way more (up to 30% if not more of the cost) than Tesla. That way it is easy to win on competitors.BTW, the 30% is not a personal educated guest, it is the estimated figure given by a very trustworthy economic journal which did an investigation and discovered that that some chinese automaker could probably absorb a 30% tariffs without changing the selling price.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
Well, some of these dumb design ideas are not really from Elon and it is not that other car manufacturer are too much different....
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I agree.
The point is how much subsidies they receive. Chinese automakers seems to get way more (up to 30% if not more of the cost) than Tesla. That way it is easy to win on competitors.BTW, the 30% is not a personal educated guest, it is the estimated figure given by a very trustworthy economic journal which did an investigation and discovered that that some chinese automaker could probably absorb a 30% tariffs without changing the selling price.
Got a link to the journal?
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
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I firmly believe he was doing it for the lulz. It totally fits his MO, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise.
However, that doesn't mean he gets a pass. We shouldn't have childish people in positions of power, so his actions should disqualify him from any influence in the White House.
I think it's exactly the opposite and there's lots of information and multple interviews that strongly suggest that. IMO Musk is full-on Nazi scum and thinks he has toned it down to what will pass in society. It seems he read the room wrong either way.
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Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
Well, some of these dumb design ideas are not really from Elon and it is not that other car manufacturer are too much different....
Which ones aren't? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
I forgot the yoke instead of a wheel. That's another Elon special.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can't afford one but I still wouldn't buy one because of them. Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
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I think it's exactly the opposite and there's lots of information and multple interviews that strongly suggest that. IMO Musk is full-on Nazi scum and thinks he has toned it down to what will pass in society. It seems he read the room wrong either way.
Could you link some extra spicy interviews? I'm very much not a fan of Musk, and I'd like some firepower other than "he's a man child that just wants to shock everyone."
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Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
I heard the next model, the Tesla SS, with innovative features like doing Nazi salutes out the windows to indicate is going to be a huge hit.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
It's not just BYD. SAIC (whose main international brand is MG) isn't far behind, Chery (whose main brands are Omoda and Jaecoo) are starting to get about too, and there are myriad smaller Chinese marques.
Chinese cars in general are really hitting the market hard.
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Back in the day, Tesla was releasing some of its tech without patent licenses to help other EV makers catch up, to help the environment. Or at least that's what I remember from the PR.
Back then they wanted to blow their lead so electric cars would do better in general.
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Which ones aren't? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
I forgot the yoke instead of a wheel. That's another Elon special.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can't afford one but I still wouldn't buy one because of them. Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Which ones aren’t? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
You don't copy because you think it is a good idea, you copy because everyone did the same thing. If everyone start putting touch button on cars and you not, you will be seen as old. Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day. Also putting touch screen is cheaper to build and update since in the end the physical button just send a signal to one of the various ECUs on the car anyway.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can’t afford one but I still wouldn’t buy one because of them.
Leaving Ferraris aside, it is not that a button as indicators is always a bad idea. What is a stupid idea is to put a touch button without tactile feedback, so you need to look to see if you have pressed it or not.
Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Well, my Renault has some buttons on the steering wheel and it do not seems too bad to use them while driving, I find very convenient to be able to control something without moving my hands from it (ok, they are not touch button).
A car I drove some months ago had double commands: touch ones and physical buttons. Not bad as choice. -
Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
Tbh, that would have been extremely simple to come back from: Fire his ass. The issue is that they didn't.
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I heard the next model, the Tesla SS, with innovative features like doing Nazi salutes out the windows to indicate is going to be a huge hit.
"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black."
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Some asshole bought the company when it had innovative tech and good quality, and hasn't had the focus to address the inevitable quality issues that come with scaling up production.
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Back in the day, Tesla was releasing some of its tech without patent licenses to help other EV makers catch up, to help the environment. Or at least that's what I remember from the PR.
Back then they wanted to blow their lead so electric cars would do better in general.
.Back then they wanted to blow their lead so electric cars would do better in general.
First-mover advantage wasn't going to be lost in the near-term due to patent-sharing.
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I heard the next model, the Tesla SS, with innovative features like doing Nazi salutes out the windows to indicate is going to be a huge hit.
Simulated fart sounds replaced with Sieg Heils.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
It's not just BYD. SAIC (whose main international brand is MG) isn't far behind, Chery (whose main brands are Omoda and Jaecoo) are starting to get about too, and there are myriad smaller Chinese marques.
Chinese cars in general are really hitting the market hard.
What I've been seeing around here (England) is a major proliferation of Kias and Hyundais. Occasionally I'll see an electric Mustang or Jaguar.
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Which ones aren’t? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
You don't copy because you think it is a good idea, you copy because everyone did the same thing. If everyone start putting touch button on cars and you not, you will be seen as old. Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day. Also putting touch screen is cheaper to build and update since in the end the physical button just send a signal to one of the various ECUs on the car anyway.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can’t afford one but I still wouldn’t buy one because of them.
Leaving Ferraris aside, it is not that a button as indicators is always a bad idea. What is a stupid idea is to put a touch button without tactile feedback, so you need to look to see if you have pressed it or not.
Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Well, my Renault has some buttons on the steering wheel and it do not seems too bad to use them while driving, I find very convenient to be able to control something without moving my hands from it (ok, they are not touch button).
A car I drove some months ago had double commands: touch ones and physical buttons. Not bad as choice.Only touch screen controls for important controls are a safety hazard, and the upcoming safety standards in the EU will withhold the top ratings because of this: https://etsc.eu/cars-will-need-buttons-not-just-touchscreens-to-get-a-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating/
Controls for things like the radio or cruise control are fine on the wheel as buttons. Indicators absolutely aren't, and are the example I used for good reason. Honestly I have no words if you cant see that they are an actual safety hazard on something like a roundabout, particularly one you would navigate at speed.
Simple left or right turns at say traffic lights or other junction aren't the problem, trying to activate them while the wheel can be at some random orientation is difficult, so you end up not bothering.
Not signalling when at a round about is an offense in the UK. Its rarely enforced due to lack of traffic police, but its enough that its an actual offense that the car should be designed not to make it considerably harder to use them. In the event of an accident serious enough for the police to get involved if you didn't indicate then that's going to count against you.
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Which ones aren’t? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
You don't copy because you think it is a good idea, you copy because everyone did the same thing. If everyone start putting touch button on cars and you not, you will be seen as old. Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day. Also putting touch screen is cheaper to build and update since in the end the physical button just send a signal to one of the various ECUs on the car anyway.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can’t afford one but I still wouldn’t buy one because of them.
Leaving Ferraris aside, it is not that a button as indicators is always a bad idea. What is a stupid idea is to put a touch button without tactile feedback, so you need to look to see if you have pressed it or not.
Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Well, my Renault has some buttons on the steering wheel and it do not seems too bad to use them while driving, I find very convenient to be able to control something without moving my hands from it (ok, they are not touch button).
A car I drove some months ago had double commands: touch ones and physical buttons. Not bad as choice.Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day.
Yeah, herd mentality often wins over critical thinking.
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This is exactly it. Instead of focusing on refining and renewing their products, Tesla burned billions on self-driving, while simultaneously hamstringing themselves by removing radar and lidar. That’s before the cybertruck and roadster 2 interfered.
Lucid, from what I can tell, has done this work. Their new motors are the size of a carryon. The interior volume is enormous. That’s what the flagships should be like at Tesla, but they screwed up.
Unwanted features taking priority over quality improvements is a textbook enshittication move.
