Tesla loses ground as Chinese EVs dominate global markets.
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
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The problem is that Chinese EVs builder are heavily subsidized from the state and Tesla not (or not to that amount). Also a Tesla has a tag price that put it in the medium-high range, and it is obvious that the biggest market is for low-medium range priced car.
Eh. Both received subsidies. No one is a saint
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The excuse his enablers give is absurd. Ask yourself what’s worse: give a Nazi salute on TV or doing a gesture the entire world knows as a Nazi salute on TV and not realizing it? They’re both bad enough that he shouldn’t be in charge of a lemonade stand.
The problem with any excuse you make for Elon is that Elon is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and give the excuse any plausibility. After the nazi salute he went on Twitter to make nazi puns about it. It is certain beyond reasonable doubt that he knows exactly what the salute was. Even if you give him the insane benefit of the doubt that it was really "his heart going out" and accidentally looked like the salute, his having shown he knows what it looks like but never stating he does not actually believe in the ideology or want present himself as an ally to nazis is just as damning.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
Exactly. I'm a budget buyer and Tesla doesn't make sense. My parents are luxury buyers and Tesla doesn't make sense. My coworkers buy Tesla, so I guess there's a market, but the reason they bought doesn't hold up as well today.
We'll see what Tesla does, but I think they need to kick out Musk to get there.
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Eh. Both received subsidies. No one is a saint
Sure, but the scale is way different.
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Anyone arguing that Musk didn't know exactly what he was doing is just another Nazi pissing in the wind and they all deserve every bit of blow back they get.
The only thing Musk didn't understand is that he was branding himself and everything he touches as nothing more than Nazi scum for the rest of his miserable life.
I firmly believe he was doing it for the lulz. It totally fits his MO, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise.
However, that doesn't mean he gets a pass. We shouldn't have childish people in positions of power, so his actions should disqualify him from any influence in the White House.
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Oh & OpenPilot/Comma-AI is an alternative to Tesla's "auto-pilot"
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Eh. Both received subsidies. No one is a saint
I agree.
The point is how much subsidies they receive. Chinese automakers seems to get way more (up to 30% if not more of the cost) than Tesla. That way it is easy to win on competitors.BTW, the 30% is not a personal educated guest, it is the estimated figure given by a very trustworthy economic journal which did an investigation and discovered that that some chinese automaker could probably absorb a 30% tariffs without changing the selling price.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
Well, some of these dumb design ideas are not really from Elon and it is not that other car manufacturer are too much different....
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I agree.
The point is how much subsidies they receive. Chinese automakers seems to get way more (up to 30% if not more of the cost) than Tesla. That way it is easy to win on competitors.BTW, the 30% is not a personal educated guest, it is the estimated figure given by a very trustworthy economic journal which did an investigation and discovered that that some chinese automaker could probably absorb a 30% tariffs without changing the selling price.
Got a link to the journal?
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
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I firmly believe he was doing it for the lulz. It totally fits his MO, and it'll be hard to convince me otherwise.
However, that doesn't mean he gets a pass. We shouldn't have childish people in positions of power, so his actions should disqualify him from any influence in the White House.
I think it's exactly the opposite and there's lots of information and multple interviews that strongly suggest that. IMO Musk is full-on Nazi scum and thinks he has toned it down to what will pass in society. It seems he read the room wrong either way.
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Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
Well, some of these dumb design ideas are not really from Elon and it is not that other car manufacturer are too much different....
Which ones aren't? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
I forgot the yoke instead of a wheel. That's another Elon special.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can't afford one but I still wouldn't buy one because of them. Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
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I think it's exactly the opposite and there's lots of information and multple interviews that strongly suggest that. IMO Musk is full-on Nazi scum and thinks he has toned it down to what will pass in society. It seems he read the room wrong either way.
Could you link some extra spicy interviews? I'm very much not a fan of Musk, and I'd like some firepower other than "he's a man child that just wants to shock everyone."
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Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
I heard the next model, the Tesla SS, with innovative features like doing Nazi salutes out the windows to indicate is going to be a huge hit.
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BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
Tesla could have prospered by sticking to the mid range but their build quality is appalling even for a lower mid car.
Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.
EV buyers who are spending more money care about this kind of thing, budget buyers it is mostly about price.
BYD is eating everyone's lunch at the bottom not just Tesla.
It's not just BYD. SAIC (whose main international brand is MG) isn't far behind, Chery (whose main brands are Omoda and Jaecoo) are starting to get about too, and there are myriad smaller Chinese marques.
Chinese cars in general are really hitting the market hard.
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BYD took the global EV crown. Now Chinese rivals and local startups are taking over emerging markets.
- Tesla’s sales are dropping globally, with political headwinds and fierce EV rivals throwing up challenges.
- New frontiers beckon, but Tesla faces a showdown with savvy local and Chinese competitors vying for dominance.
- Pricing battles and rapid innovation are putting Tesla to the test, demanding a strategic jolt to regain its edge.
Back in the day, Tesla was releasing some of its tech without patent licenses to help other EV makers catch up, to help the environment. Or at least that's what I remember from the PR.
Back then they wanted to blow their lead so electric cars would do better in general.
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Which ones aren't? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
I forgot the yoke instead of a wheel. That's another Elon special.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can't afford one but I still wouldn't buy one because of them. Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Which ones aren’t? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.
You don't copy because you think it is a good idea, you copy because everyone did the same thing. If everyone start putting touch button on cars and you not, you will be seen as old. Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day. Also putting touch screen is cheaper to build and update since in the end the physical button just send a signal to one of the various ECUs on the car anyway.
Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can’t afford one but I still wouldn’t buy one because of them.
Leaving Ferraris aside, it is not that a button as indicators is always a bad idea. What is a stupid idea is to put a touch button without tactile feedback, so you need to look to see if you have pressed it or not.
Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.
Well, my Renault has some buttons on the steering wheel and it do not seems too bad to use them while driving, I find very convenient to be able to control something without moving my hands from it (ok, they are not touch button).
A car I drove some months ago had double commands: touch ones and physical buttons. Not bad as choice. -
Because the CEO “sent his heart out to the world”. Ain’t no coming back from that public perception, tbh.
Tbh, that would have been extremely simple to come back from: Fire his ass. The issue is that they didn't.
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I heard the next model, the Tesla SS, with innovative features like doing Nazi salutes out the windows to indicate is going to be a huge hit.
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